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Old Aug 22, 2022 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rugedraw
Yea, I guess "frying" is not the right word to use. I was following the issue on the other forum when the problem first arose. Jesse is a flippin' life saver. lol
I spent years of my career in engineering doing hardware (logic) design for complex hardware/software systems. There’s an old saying among engineers working on hardware/software systems like these trucks: “it’s never the hardware”.
The inclination is always to assume that the hardware is broken, but somehow that turns out to almost never be the case.
Yes, it DOES happen, but nine times out of ten it’s an underlying programming error of some sort.

On a related note, it’s sort of amusing to watch a major company, like Ford, try to figure out how to do software engineering - including how you go about updating the code, and crucially how you test and release those updates.
These are lessons that major software companies, like Apple, who’s very existence depends on its ability to develop and release software updates without breaking everything else, have sort of learned over the past few decades. It’s a bit unrealistic to assume that Ford, which is really good at building cars but just plain awful at software, is going to suddenly and automatically figure it all out virtually overnight.
Not letting Ford off the hook … not by a long shot. Just making an observation about what we can expect from Ford (and Dodge, and GMC, and Chevy, and every other automaker on the planet) over the next few years/decades.
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Old Aug 22, 2022 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulGrun
I spent years of my career in engineering doing hardware (logic) design for complex hardware/software systems. There’s an old saying among engineers working on hardware/software systems like these trucks: “it’s never the hardware”.
The inclination is always to assume that the hardware is broken, but somehow that turns out to almost never be the case.
Yes, it DOES happen, but nine times out of ten it’s an underlying programming error of some sort.

On a related note, it’s sort of amusing to watch a major company, like Ford, try to figure out how to do software engineering - including how you go about updating the code, and crucially how you test and release those updates.
These are lessons that major software companies, like Apple, who’s very existence depends on its ability to develop and release software updates without breaking everything else, have sort of learned over the past few decades. It’s a bit unrealistic to assume that Ford, which is really good at building cars but just plain awful at software, is going to suddenly and automatically figure it all out virtually overnight.
Not letting Ford off the hook … not by a long shot. Just making an observation about what we can expect from Ford (and Dodge, and GMC, and Chevy, and every other automaker on the planet) over the next few years/decades.
Ford hired Doug Field from Apple last year. He also worked at Tesla. I’ll give him until the end of the year to get their act together.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-s-car-project
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Old Aug 22, 2022 | 06:57 PM
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Old Aug 22, 2022 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Coloradohunter
I have no faith any time Ford tech says a new APIM is needed. First dealer told me they talked to Ford after failing to correct the grayed out OTA button in 13 days. Second dealer fixed it in a couple hours without a new APIM.
I’m just going by what another member told me and what the dealer is telling my now. I also had the greyed out update fixed in a couple hours. I was now told this afternoon that if you have had the APIM reprogrammed to fix the update issue and have also had the trailer brake controller recall done prior to OTA 2.8.1 then you will have issues. I have zero in faith in what any dealer tells me either but I don’t have any other points at this point. I’m ready to trade this truck and hope that the 2022’s don’t have these issues.
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Old Aug 22, 2022 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RickBullotta
Ford hired Doug Field from Apple last year. He also worked at Tesla. I’ll give him until the end of the year to get their act together.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-s-car-project
Interesting! I didn’t know that about Doug Field. Thanks for sending the Bloomberg link along.
There are two things about it that I find troubling.
First, it doesn’t seem likely that Doug will get his hands dirty solving (relatively) low level configuration and testing issues such as those being reported here. Clearly, Ford sees him as a big picture strategy guy. Hopefully I’m wrong, but it all depends on how he sees his portfolio. If it turns out that Ford’s difficulties in managing software development/testing/deployment are seriously impacting its revenue and future prospects, then perhaps he’ll get involved. But my guess is that he has much bigger fish to fry. I dunno, maybe he’ll bring some talent along with him from the software world to work on these problems, we’ll see.
Second, and much more troubling, are the references in the article to monetizing features as the route to steady profitability for Ford (and other auto makers). That does not bode well for us as consumers. We should expect to see everything from soup to nuts being offered as a subscription a la BMW which apparently offers heated seats as a subscription service. If they’re not yet doing so, expect them to do so soon. BlueCruise, for example, is already a subscription service albeit one currently dominated by “free trial periods”.
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Old Aug 23, 2022 | 11:04 AM
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rugedraw could you check my vin please 1FTFW1E89NKD76690
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Old Aug 23, 2022 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by hinzy
rugedraw could you check my vin please 1FTFW1E89NKD76690
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No OTA history on your truck in the past 60 days. The system only stores info for 60 days, so I cannot see anything that happened before then.
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Old Aug 23, 2022 | 01:39 PM
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Thanks rugedraw,
Anyone know what the current sync version and revision is for a 2022 F150 xlt 302a is? Build date 03/2022.
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Old Aug 23, 2022 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ocwill1
Welcome to my world, it has to do with the trailer brake recall, at least that is what did it for me. I am in the same boat, but at least I see some light at the end of the tunnel. Same exact issues you are having, mine started after getting the trailer brake recall done, then the 2.8.1 update came and exactly as you say above is what happened to mine. 2.8.2 and 2.8.3 came over fine, however other stuff still not working. Took it in, they had to replace the IPMA (pretty sure that is what they said) and then reprogram it. Has been in several times as I needed the truck for out of town trips, but the last time it was in, I talked to the tech and he said he was getting an error with the BCM (said it did not match factory), so I took it back, uploaded the copy of the OEM BCM from before I made forscan changes and it goes back next week, hopefully with good results. Bottom line, you will probably need a new module, and if you have made any BCM forscan changes, put them back to stock now before you take it in. Good luck
Did you get yours in on Monday? Any Success?
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Old Aug 23, 2022 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by drbross21
Did you get yours in on Monday? Any Success?
got it in, and they did not call and let me know anything. Will be calling when I leave work in a few to get some sort of update. I am guessing things did not go well though...
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