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Wow Mr Prevat, this was timely from you as I just heard back from him and he told me he's fine with copying and pasting his own words here. Here's the gist of it and it will surprise you:
"The long story short version is that I am running essentially two vehicles worth of modules/networks
the 2003 is responsible for body functions. Windows, locks, lights, radio etc., the donor 2015 is responsible for cluster, engine, transmission, steering etc.
There is "some" overlap between the two, brake switch, ignition switch, brake level switch etc. But for the most part they are separate body harnesses doing separate tasks.
Still have PATS on the donor truck, no issues yet"
I assume by donor truck he is referring to the 2003 and not the 2015 the Coyote came out of. I literally just now got the info on the Pats. I assume you're as surprised as I am?
EDIT: OK I screwed up. He used the donor dash but PATS is still intact. I wonder how my FP PCM will mate to my OEM dash? The FP PCM has no PATS but it also has no imbedded VIN or other systems relevant information in the module. I'd like to avoid installing another RacePak, Datalink run dash if I can. If nothing else it leaves an additional $1,500 from the budget that can go elsewhere in the truck.
"The long story short version is that I am running essentially two vehicles worth of modules/networks
the 2003 is responsible for body functions. Windows, locks, lights, radio etc., the donor 2015 is responsible for cluster, engine, transmission, steering etc.
There is "some" overlap between the two, brake switch, ignition switch, brake level switch etc. But for the most part they are separate body harnesses doing separate tasks.
Still have PATS on the donor truck, no issues yet"
I assume by donor truck he is referring to the 2003 and not the 2015 the Coyote came out of. I literally just now got the info on the Pats. I assume you're as surprised as I am?
EDIT: OK I screwed up. He used the donor dash but PATS is still intact. I wonder how my FP PCM will mate to my OEM dash? The FP PCM has no PATS but it also has no imbedded VIN or other systems relevant information in the module. I'd like to avoid installing another RacePak, Datalink run dash if I can. If nothing else it leaves an additional $1,500 from the budget that can go elsewhere in the truck.
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I'm sorry to admit I skipped some of his videos so I can't say for sure. It's not something written I remember. It seems out of character for his attention to detail though. There would be no reason to leave the entire switch under the dash if he always left it on, don't you think? He's demonstrated his splicing skills to the point it would seem he would eliminate the switch. He's also a strip guy removing weight by drilling holes in brackets and such. Another reason I suspect he would eliminate the switch even though it's minimal in weight. I wonder if this was something he did as a temporary, "I'll keep it for now, wait and see what happens before deciding what to do?" I'm just guessing for now though. I'll get back to catch up on the videos I skipped or missed.
I'm sorry to admit I skipped some of his videos so I can't say for sure. It's not something written I remember. It seems out of character for his attention to detail though. There would be no reason to leave the entire switch under the dash if he always left it on, don't you think? He's demonstrated his splicing skills to the point it would seem he would eliminate the switch. He's also a strip guy removing weight by drilling holes in brackets and such. Another reason I suspect he would eliminate the switch even though it's minimal in weight. I wonder if this was something he did as a temporary, "I'll keep it for now, wait and see what happens before deciding what to do?" I'm just guessing for now though. I'll get back to catch up on the videos I skipped or missed.
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This gets weird here with the PATS stuff. I can only speak for sure about my 99, base model truck and on it the PATS module isn't located on or part of the HEC\instrument cluster. On my truck it's located behind the dash panel. That makes the entire PATS thing so much easier. Ford had 5 version of PATS that covered the 10th gen and I don't know what version went with what trucks or if what bells and whistles a truck has effects the version of PATS a truck has.
Versions:
A: 1996-1998
B: 1998-2002
C: 1999-current
D: 1997-1998
E: 2000-2007
PATS only becomes an issue if the module is located in a conflicting place, like on the instrument cluster, that interferes with swapping components. In my truck anyway as long as the transponder picks up good information from the key and relays that information to the module everything "down circuit" from there doesn't matter. Everything will work. As an anti-theft device anyway. Bad wiring or similar issue is another issue and is really separate from PATS intended purpose of anti-theft. If the module gets bad information from the key, or lacks a key the module does it's job.
What I'm getting at is if Patmans PATS is like mine, when he says he's using the 2003 ignition I think that includes the PATS. As far as I know there is nothing structurally different about the PATS go\no go signal between any of the versions or years for the F150. The biggest difference I know for different PATS versions aside from component location has to do with different ignition systems. Gas, diesel, hybrid, flex, etc. vehicles. Even the updated circuitry that has come or came over time may have been different internally but the output didn't change. It's still the same go\no go signal.
Next time I write him I will ask what specifics he has on his 2003's PATS. If his module is integral to his HEC, than yes, he would have been required to swap his PATS module or the entire cluster. It's a good question to ask him.
I tend to think if he kept both ignition switches active it would have been due to concerns about the keep alive power, the live Acc and on start power and the live in run power to ensure everything requiring power between the engine and body is getting it when needed.
What do you think?
Versions:
A: 1996-1998
B: 1998-2002
C: 1999-current
D: 1997-1998
E: 2000-2007
PATS only becomes an issue if the module is located in a conflicting place, like on the instrument cluster, that interferes with swapping components. In my truck anyway as long as the transponder picks up good information from the key and relays that information to the module everything "down circuit" from there doesn't matter. Everything will work. As an anti-theft device anyway. Bad wiring or similar issue is another issue and is really separate from PATS intended purpose of anti-theft. If the module gets bad information from the key, or lacks a key the module does it's job.
What I'm getting at is if Patmans PATS is like mine, when he says he's using the 2003 ignition I think that includes the PATS. As far as I know there is nothing structurally different about the PATS go\no go signal between any of the versions or years for the F150. The biggest difference I know for different PATS versions aside from component location has to do with different ignition systems. Gas, diesel, hybrid, flex, etc. vehicles. Even the updated circuitry that has come or came over time may have been different internally but the output didn't change. It's still the same go\no go signal.
Next time I write him I will ask what specifics he has on his 2003's PATS. If his module is integral to his HEC, than yes, he would have been required to swap his PATS module or the entire cluster. It's a good question to ask him.
I tend to think if he kept both ignition switches active it would have been due to concerns about the keep alive power, the live Acc and on start power and the live in run power to ensure everything requiring power between the engine and body is getting it when needed.
What do you think?
River, I think you are onto something and that would absolutely be a good question to ask. I honestly had so idea there were so many iterations of the PATS system. Since yours isnt part of the cluster that should make things esier depending on the route you decide to go.
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