Thinking
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863
I am sorry if I struck a nerve here. If you all want to have a forum to discuss whatever strikes you then by all means make one. I thought this forum was about Ford trucks specifically 1997-2003 trucks and issues regarding such. I have gotten much good information from this website for my 98 and would like to continue to do so.
In other words: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863
There's no need to force a solution to something that really isn't a problem.
Just to think. This thread started out with Red being a thought to purchase. It went from a sitting, so so running 98. We put all the information on what was done throughout the process. Not like White does with his 89Garage channel, but similar.
We talked about engines, transmissions, rear ends, brakes upgrades, windshields, rear window and slider replacement, wheels and tires, body panels, header and bumper, headlights, taillights, interiors, and the list goes on.
I just want to know, with all this that was done, all the ideas thrown around over the 5 plus years, why you'd want to move it. All the info is in there. There is a simple search feature to find things. Other than a few excursions to the outdoors and back, it's been a solid f150 thread about a lil Red 1998 F150, Reg Cab, shortbed, 5.4 truck.
I'm sorry if you aren't satisfied re54drider. If I buy this 2002 I'm looking at, I'll do my best to keep it to a 2002 f150 rebuilder thread, just to keep you happy. Thinking 2.0 would be a good name for the thread.
We talked about engines, transmissions, rear ends, brakes upgrades, windshields, rear window and slider replacement, wheels and tires, body panels, header and bumper, headlights, taillights, interiors, and the list goes on.
I just want to know, with all this that was done, all the ideas thrown around over the 5 plus years, why you'd want to move it. All the info is in there. There is a simple search feature to find things. Other than a few excursions to the outdoors and back, it's been a solid f150 thread about a lil Red 1998 F150, Reg Cab, shortbed, 5.4 truck.
I'm sorry if you aren't satisfied re54drider. If I buy this 2002 I'm looking at, I'll do my best to keep it to a 2002 f150 rebuilder thread, just to keep you happy. Thinking 2.0 would be a good name for the thread.
Thank you @Martian and @SPOAT for your continued support. A lot of us now have connections and friendships outside of the forum now, so it's natural for some of those things to become a topic on here. Every one of us are here to offer a helping hand to each other and anyone else that needs help on here.
BTW, guys... at one point we were talking about how much MORR charges. I was talking to a guy at work this morning. He told me that he recently had a friend get stuck near the "Toyota in Tooele" area on MORR. He called some towing services in SLC that wanted 2800 to pull him out. He called Matt, and Matt quoted him 500. Matt is 4 hours away. SLC is 30 minutes.
Last edited by white89gt; Nov 30, 2021 at 01:57 PM. Reason: missed some words
I understand your point of view. The thread does more often than not return to the topic of this generation of truck as a common rallying point. Even though it wanders occasionally, it comes back, and so I think it's better-suited here than in Off Topic. I'd bet moving this to Off Topic would merely cause the spawning of another thread like this, back in this section. We have a set of happy, knowledgabe "locals" in here, and that doesn't need to be disrupted because someone thinks one thread might be better somewhere else.
It's, objectively, not hard to understand you received these responses. You have a thread that's non-intrusive, a contained thread, not trashing the rest of this forum section, and you're essentially wanting to mess with it. The overall harmony of the forum is not disrupted, so I see no reason to move the thread.
In other words: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
This isn't meant as an insult, but the Gettysburg Address is a pretty desperate thing to post here, tbh. At first, it was easy to understand your point and consider it valid. But when you stretch this far, all I can see is a person trying to stir a pot that never needed to be stirred.
There's no need to force a solution to something that really isn't a problem.
It's, objectively, not hard to understand you received these responses. You have a thread that's non-intrusive, a contained thread, not trashing the rest of this forum section, and you're essentially wanting to mess with it. The overall harmony of the forum is not disrupted, so I see no reason to move the thread.
In other words: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
This isn't meant as an insult, but the Gettysburg Address is a pretty desperate thing to post here, tbh. At first, it was easy to understand your point and consider it valid. But when you stretch this far, all I can see is a person trying to stir a pot that never needed to be stirred.
There's no need to force a solution to something that really isn't a problem.
BTW, guys... at one point we were talking about how much MORR charges. I was talking to a guy at work this morning. He told me that he recently had a friend get stuck near the "Toyota in Tooele" area on MORR. He called some towing services in SLC that wanted 2800 to pull him out. He called Matt, and Matt quoted him 500. Matt is 4 hours away. SLC is 30 minutes.
He seems to take a couple hours per customer (unless he gets a couple of extra customers while in route) and his equipment ain't cheap either.
However, I will "make a call" if I ever need a service like that. I bought the new patch for "shop with a cop", BTW. Great cause!












