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Old Jun 13, 2023 | 07:49 PM
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Well, for some of the updates, I found that for me, they only came via the cell connection and not WiFi, even though they had ample chance to be downloaded. I had gotten nothing for the longest time. Like you, I don't drive it a ton. As soon as I took about a 1 hr drive, I got an update. Then two days later on my return trip home I got another. Mine is always on a very strong WiFi connection and I hook it to the battery tender as well.

Please note I do not have definitive proof that the cellular connection was the only way it got updated, but I seem to recall others stating the same thing happening to them.

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Good to know. I’ll try taking it out soon and see what happens. May try disconnecting wifi for a bit and see if it updates. My cellular connection is great.
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Old Jun 13, 2023 | 08:10 PM
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For those frustrated by lack of updates, I’m beginning to think that Ford now prefers to miss the scheduled update time slot, because of low battery power.
It’s now preferring to wait until you are driving. That at least assures the computers get the watts, volts and amps they need to do the job.

AFAIK, I’m fully up to date, but with 300 miles to go tomorrow, its a good time to update me!

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Old Jun 13, 2023 | 11:35 PM
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I am also incline to also think that updates happen while driving or just after driving via cellular. Thinking back over the past year most of my updates occurred while traveling or just returning from a trip. Leaving the truck connected to a battery charger over multiple days (or weeks which I did a lot) never seemed to help initiate a download. The one exception was the problematic 2.8.1 where after the firmware had been downloaded I had to use a battery charger and monitor battery voltage and amps and I pushed the battery charger up to 50A for a short time to get the update to kick off after about a dozen failed attempts. But then I am not quite sure when that was downloaded to the truck, as I just had returned from a long trip.

Most all others seemed to occur while on trips, and as in the last case very short trips.
I had tried in he past to disable WIFI, that during my attempt did not result in any updates. I look to have good cell coverage in my garage.

Now, see how long it takes to get 3.5.4.
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Old Jun 14, 2023 | 06:10 AM
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My last 2 updates, OTA 4.2.3 & 4.2.4, were delivered on successive Saturdays at the Y while watching my grandson play soccer. What is the latest OTA for a 2022 Job 1 PB?
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Old Jun 14, 2023 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Independence Driver
I am also incline to also think that updates happen while driving or just after driving via cellular. Thinking back over the past year most of my updates occurred while traveling or just returning from a trip. Leaving the truck connected to a battery charger over multiple days (or weeks which I did a lot) never seemed to help initiate a download. The one exception was the problematic 2.8.1 where after the firmware had been downloaded I had to use a battery charger and monitor battery voltage and amps and I pushed the battery charger up to 50A for a short time to get the update to kick off after about a dozen failed attempts. But then I am not quite sure when that was downloaded to the truck, as I just had returned from a long trip.

Most all others seemed to occur while on trips, and as in the last case very short trips.
I had tried in he past to disable WIFI, that during my attempt did not result in any updates. I look to have good cell coverage in my garage.

Now, see how long it takes to get 3.5.4.
Driving has nothing to do with receiving an update so much as it does for installing it. Let's say you get an OTA sent to you at noon while your truck is parked. If it downloads all the files successfully, the update will sit there queued until you turn on the truck. Then and only then will it install. The only exception to this is if you have auto updates turned on. I have done this myself with my own truck and then followed the install process with PTS.

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My last 2 updates, OTA 4.2.3 & 4.2.4, were delivered on successive Saturdays at the Y while watching my grandson play soccer. What is the latest OTA for a 2022 Job 1 PB?
4.3.2, 4.3.3 and 4.3.5 are the only updates you are missing. They are small IPC updates to prep the truck for future updates. 4.3.2 will require the vehicle to be inhibited for about 5 minutes while it installs. Not many people have reported getting it including myself who's last OTA was 4.2.4.
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Old Jun 14, 2023 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rugedraw
Driving has nothing to do with receiving an update so much as it does for installing it. Let's say you get an OTA sent to you at noon while your truck is parked. If it downloads all the files successfully, the update will sit there queued until you turn on the truck. Then and only then will it install. The only exception to this is if you have auto updates turned on. I have done this myself with my own truck and then followed the install process with PTS.



4.3.2, 4.3.3 and 4.3.5 are the only updates you are missing. They are small IPC updates to prep the truck for future updates. 4.3.2 will require the vehicle to be inhibited for about 5 minutes while it installs. Not many people have reported getting it including myself who's last OTA was 4.2.4.
@rugedraw The only counter I have to your point about the updates downloading and then installing when the truck is turned on; I have the ability to see when and how much data is sent and received by my truck over my WiFi. Here is the data for this week as an example:



So this week, I have had 2x the amount of data uploaded than downloaded which is very typical. I have not seen any activity on the other network connection (I call it the Sync connection vs the TCU connection) to the truck for over 2 months, so not sure if they are doing things differently. One thing I do see now is that the truck's TCU network interface has activity every day now at roughly the same time. So now, maybe the recent OTA updates have changed the characteristics of how they are "pinging" the truck. Maybe now it is a push ping from the truck verses a push from Ford to the Sync network interface. That might also reduce the power consumption by not requiring the Sync network interface to be constantly monitoring the WiFi link. Who knows...

I have been keeping pretty close tabs on this for quite awhile. When I received those 2 OTA updates after driving 1.5 hour I mentioned earlier, I had received no data to the truck for over a week. Prior to that was just a ~100KB post trip data upload.
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Old Jun 14, 2023 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by addabob
@rugedraw The only counter I have to your point about the updates downloading and then installing when the truck is turned on; I have the ability to see when and how much data is sent and received by my truck over my WiFi. Here is the data for this week as an example:



So this week, I have had 2x the amount of data uploaded than downloaded which is very typical. I have not seen any activity on the other network connection (I call it the Sync connection vs the TCU connection) to the truck for over 2 months, so not sure if they are doing things differently. One thing I do see now is that the truck's TCU network interface has activity every day now at roughly the same time. So now, maybe the recent OTA updates have changed the characteristics of how they are "pinging" the truck. Maybe now it is a push ping from the truck verses a push from Ford to the Sync network interface. That might also reduce the power consumption by not requiring the Sync network interface to be constantly monitoring the WiFi link. Who knows...

I have been keeping pretty close tabs on this for quite awhile. When I received those 2 OTA updates after driving 1.5 hour I mentioned earlier, I had received no data to the truck for over a week. Prior to that was just a ~100KB post trip data upload.
It depends on the nature of the OTA. If it is an update that requires the vehicle to be inhibited, it will not self install unless you tell the truck to start the update using the touchscreen or have auto updates on.

However, an OTA that does not require the vehicle to be inhibited, you HAVE to turn the ignition on or start the truck in order to give "user consent" for the download/install process to initiate. See attached screenshot of the OTA dashboard for my truck when I was sent 4.2.4. The OTA trigger request was created at 2:27pm while I was at work. The OTA just sat there doing absolutely nothing until I started my truck. That day, I got off work at 5:30pm. By the time I got to my truck and started it, it was 5:40. Then and only then did the truck start to try to download the files. As you can see, the file download failed to initiate a few times, but eventually it got them downloaded.

The second screenshot is from when I got 4.2.3. Same thing. The OTA trigger was created for my truck at 3:21pm. Nothing happened until 4:58pm which is when I started my truck. At that point, the "user consent" is registered and the download begin.

This is why many people believe OTA's only come via cellular data. I do not have a good answer for you as to why your truck download more data via wifi this week. What I can tell you is that 1,000KB is way to little data to be an OTA.





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Old Jun 14, 2023 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rugedraw
It depends on the nature of the OTA. If it is an update that requires the vehicle to be inhibited, it will not self install unless you tell the truck to start the update using the touchscreen or have auto updates on.

However, an OTA that does not require the vehicle to be inhibited, you HAVE to turn the ignition on or start the truck in order to give "user consent" for the download/install process to initiate. See attached screenshot of the OTA dashboard for my truck when I was sent 4.2.4. The OTA trigger request was created at 2:27pm while I was at work. The OTA just sat there doing absolutely nothing until I started my truck. That day, I got off work at 5:30pm. By the time I got to my truck and started it, it was 5:40. Then and only then did the truck start to try to download the files. As you can see, the file download failed to initiate a few times, but eventually it got them downloaded.

The second screenshot is from when I got 4.2.3. Same thing. The OTA trigger was created for my truck at 3:21pm. Nothing happened until 4:58pm which is when I started my truck. At that point, the "user consent" is registered and the download begin.

This is why many people believe OTA's only come via cellular data. I do not have a good answer for you as to why your truck download more data via wifi this week. What I can tell you is that 1,000KB is way to little data to be an OTA.




Yes, that 313KB of download and 617KB of upload data is just post-trip chatter with Ford, uploading whatever data is included with my permission for sharing data with them. In the past (pre-3.5), I have seen OTAs that came via WiFi that were multiple GBs.

It is just recently with the 3.5.x and 4.2.x updates I have not seen any of the expected large OTA file downloads via WiFi. This is also when I have no longer seen any activity on the 2nd network interface in the truck I reference as "Sync" as that is the ID it provided when it connects on my network. I used to see nothing on that Sync interface for a long period, then I would get a relatively small amount of data downloaded... Maybe 1-2MB. But then within a day or so, I would see an OTA come through. The Sync interface would then go dormant for weeks, and when it went active again, I would get another update in a few days. I do not see this happening anymore as it has probably been 2-3 months since my last activity on the Sync interface. I only see the traffic on the TCU interface, but it now has daily activity at the approximate same time each day (about 6:30pm), something it previously did not have.
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Old Jun 14, 2023 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by addabob
Yes, that 313KB of download and 617KB of upload data is just post-trip chatter with Ford, uploading whatever data is included with my permission for sharing data with them. In the past (pre-3.5), I have seen OTAs that came via WiFi that were multiple GBs.

It is just recently with the 3.5.x and 4.2.x updates I have not seen any of the expected large OTA file downloads via WiFi. This is also when I have no longer seen any activity on the 2nd network interface in the truck I reference as "Sync" as that is the ID it provided when it connects on my network. I used to see nothing on that Sync interface for a long period, then I would get a relatively small amount of data downloaded... Maybe 1-2MB. But then within a day or so, I would see an OTA come through. The Sync interface would then go dormant for weeks, and when it went active again, I would get another update in a few days. I do not see this happening anymore as it has probably been 2-3 months since my last activity on the Sync interface. I only see the traffic on the TCU interface, but it now has daily activity at the approximate same time each day (about 6:30pm), something it previously did not have.
Interesting. OTA 4.2.4 updates the TCU, so who knows that they did that may have made it more active? Honestly, I'm not sure.
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Old Jun 14, 2023 | 04:21 PM
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Would you check mine when you get a chance: 1FTFW1ED6PFA46952

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