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Old Nov 20, 2015 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Stans2000
I'm beginning to think that this has more to do with Dealer Allocation and the Dealer's current inventory of 2015's than anything else. It's the only thing that makes sense. For those that are just waiting for delivery, I just can't figure out why Ford would even build the Truck if they weren't going to immediately ship it out. But for those that haven't been built this would makes sense
This may be true. My dealer is huge and they have at least 100 2015s on their lot and not a single 2016. THey put the order for me in as a dealer order back on 9/15 because they said they would receive it quicker. I'm starting to wonder though if Ford is waiting to ship 2016s to them until they get rid of some of the 2015s.
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Old Nov 20, 2015 | 08:10 AM
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Got my window sticker today but Etis shows my build has been moved to the 30th of November instead of the 23rd.

Who bumped me?
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Old Nov 20, 2015 | 08:28 AM
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Not wanting to take us too far off topic, but I'm not sure that is a fair assessment of the men and women who work on the line at the DB plant.

I think they are professionals just like I am and regardless of how my company treats me (and I've worked for great companies and sh*tty ones), I would never let that translate through to the products I deliver to my customers or the relationships I have with them.

I take pride in the work I do and the quality of said work is very important to me. These aren't a bunch of kids working a part time job would could care less about how well or how poorly they perform their job or how they treat their customers. These are adults just like you or I. I assume that most people feel the same way about their job as I do about mine, as such, I assume the workers in DB are no different.

I don't believe that because there's yet another union beef between management and the workers that they'd do any less of a good job in building our trucks. That kind of stuff is the run of the mill crap with the UAW and other unions.

Perhaps I'm naive in my beliefs, but that's just how I see it.
You sure about that?

Chrysler Workers Deliberately Sabotage Ram Production – Quality Issues?
Tim Esterdahl | Mar 06, 2013

In what could be the most surprising news of the year, it seems Chrysler-Fiat employees are deliberately sabotaging production on the 2013 Ram 1500 pickup over “poor morale.”

Chrysler Workers Deliberately Sabotage Ram Production
Warren Truck Assembly workers have reportedly sabotaged the 2013 Ram 1500 production to spite management over shift schedule changes.
Sadly, this story is true and, probably the most shocking aspect of it is, the UAW isn’t involved. It seems the Warren Truck Assembly plant recently switched the employees shift schedules around according to Autoblog.com. The new shift plan calls for four, 10-hour days for workers with some working evenings and weekends. The workers apparently weren’t happy with this “flexible” work schedule and decided to protest without UAW support.

As part of their protest, they decided to intentionally sabotage the Ram 1500 production. The Detroit News said, “only 16 of the 58 trucks built at the Warren Truck Assembly Plant during the model’s first hour passed final inspection. While quality eventually improved over the course of the day, just over half of the units built on Thursday were approved for shipment. Even with workers ordered to stay late to fix their mistakes, some 1,078 units remained outside the facility with defects.”

What makes this even more shocking is that the UAW supports Chrysler and thinks the new schedule could actually create more jobs.

The UAW told the Detroit News:

“The international union, including myself and staff from the UAW-Chrysler Department, met with workers from Chrysler’s Warren Stamping Plant at a town hall meeting recently to explain (the alternative work schedule) first approved by UAW Chrysler members in 2003,” said Holiefield, head of the union’s Chrysler Department, in an email to The Detroit News on Wednesday.

“The Flexible Operating Pattern has been effective at several other plants and has created thousands of jobs in communities surrounding these plants,” he added. “(I)t’s proven to be successful, allowing the company to operate at maximum capacity to meet customer demand, and in the process, creating jobs, and in general, employees understand the reasons for the schedule.”

Chrysler spokeswoman Jodi Tinson said that Chrysler is “aware of their complaints, and we understand that change is difficult.”

Apparently, the protests pissed Chrysler off and they have recently suspended without pay one of the protesters.

Seems like if the workers REALLY understood the plan, they wouldn’t intentionally sabotage the Ram truck production. But, hey what do we know.

Are things so bad for Chrysler-Fiat that their own workers don’t even like them? And what is up with Chrysler workers being in the news? Remember not that long ago an arbitor gave the Chrysler employees that smoked pot and drank on their lunch break their jobs back.

This news comes at a bad time for Chrysler-Fiat as they try to shake decades worth of quality issues, drum up business with their new Ram 1500 and are trying to convince new buyers that diesel in the way to go (see: Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel, Ram 1500 diesel and just announced Jeep Wrangler diesel).

Our fearless leader Jason has the following insight: Toyota has a much better relationship with workers, lower labor costs, and Toyota workers would NEVER, ever, ever, EVER dream of turning out a defective truck to send a message to management. Every 2013 Ram-Fiat buyer had better ask for a big discount, as they could be buying a lemon. What’s more, Ford and GM are going to face similar problems once the moratorium on UAW strikes is over.

Initially, I planned on going on a rant about Chrysler quality and leadership issues. However, I think this story speaks for itself. Sound off your thoughts below.
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Old Nov 20, 2015 | 08:30 AM
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There may be some that won't believe me, but I got $500 rebate, $500 military rebate, and $3,255 additional under invoice.
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Old Nov 20, 2015 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Stans2000
There may be some that won't believe me, but I got $500 rebate, $500 military rebate, and $3,255 additional under invoice.
How??? Im in grad school.. so thinking the $500 college and I have the IUPA (police) $500.... would love a private cash of 1K. Thought I did great at 1K under invoice on a special order!! You did FABULOUS!
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Old Nov 20, 2015 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by shawnpepera
How??? Im in grad school.. so thinking the $500 college and I have the IUPA (police) $500.... would love a private cash of 1K. Thought I did great at 1K under invoice on a special order!! You did FABULOUS!
Unfortunately, I tried everything, but I couldn't get another coupon. I received a 2915 brochure in July and the coupon expired in August.
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Old Nov 20, 2015 | 11:47 AM
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ETIS finally updated for me, still has build date of 11/16, but in the minor details there is a huge detailed list, maybe 150 items. Assume that is normal for everyone? Still can't find the window sticker yet. But, this is progress. My dealer has told me he has an estimated arrival date of 12/15, so this could be my Christmas present.
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Old Nov 20, 2015 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by panamagixxer
ETIS finally updated for me, still has build date of 11/16, but in the minor details there is a huge detailed list, maybe 150 items. Assume that is normal for everyone? Still can't find the window sticker yet. But, this is progress. My dealer has told me he has an estimated arrival date of 12/15, so this could be my Christmas present.
Normal, yes.
One bug I found in that list: I have the 3.55 locking differential on my build and it shows that on the window sticker.
But the Etis report says LESS locking differential which is wrong.
At least I hope it's wrong...
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Old Nov 20, 2015 | 01:46 PM
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Has ANYONE had luck with COTUS on the 16's yet? Plat build date of 11/2 still sitting in Dearborn yesterday. Projected delivery of 11/25. Any plats on the lots yet?
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Old Nov 20, 2015 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dbarendt
Has ANYONE had luck with COTUS on the 16's yet? Plat build date of 11/2 still sitting in Dearborn yesterday. Projected delivery of 11/25. Any plats on the lots yet?
Cotus does not work. Ours was built the same day, afaik dealer said any day.
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