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So the wire on this is clearly marked 4 AWG.... and it's a 225A welder. I wasn't so sure that 4 AWG would handle 225A. Sure enough, it should probably be 4/0 instead. So, I started searching around - and everyone on the welding forums say to use exactly what it came with..... because, these do not have a thermal overload protection, and apparently the only feedback you'll get that it's running too hot is through the heat of the leads. Weird, eh?
So the wire on this is clearly marked 4 AWG.... and it's a 225A welder. I wasn't so sure that 4 AWG would handle 225A. Sure enough, it should probably be 4/0 instead. So, I started searching around - and everyone on the welding forums say to use exactly what it came with..... because, these do not have a thermal overload protection, and apparently the only feedback you'll get that it's running too hot is through the heat of the leads. Weird, eh?
You have a link white, I think they're referring to something else.
Last edited by Jbrew; Oct 28, 2022 at 09:41 PM.
The crackerbox welders (don't call it a tombstone, that's the old Idealarc) were/are supplied with lighter cable for a reason. They aren't thermal overload protected, and the only indication you're pushing the duty cycle is when the stinger gets so hot you can't hold it. Consequently, you don't want heavier than #3 cable, and a stinger rated for 200ish amps. These components need to heat up to provide user feedback.
I've been running these machines for about 20yrs, and push them hard. Hot hand means......take a break, and let the machine cool down with the fan running
Yea, he's using temperature of the leads to determine duty cycle. That works if you know the machine. OR you can just watch the clock, maybe use a timer if you have a little bit of non stop welding to do. Duty cycle is important otherwise you can burn up that machine. Personally I use the clock, duty cycle is short in that little mig I use. The leads don't get overly hot in that machine when maxing duty cycle. Duty cycle is the percentage of 10 minutes that unit can weld at rated load without over heating. It varies between machines. So if I'm welding at 90 amps with the 140, duty cycle is 20% at 90amps. Translates to 2 minutes of welding then 8 minutes of rest.
You'll need the manual for that machine to figure the specific duty cycle it's built for. Easy to figure that out and make sense of it with the manual. It's a little easier on the machine vs waiting for it to heat up in your hands.
That said, I wouldn't go 3awg, I'd either leave at 4awg or bump it slightly to 4/0 if it fits well.
EDIT: "No thermal protection" - What he meant by that. - No fuse/breaker to trip when it gets hot. That's why you have to pay attention to duty cycle.
You'll need the manual for that machine to figure the specific duty cycle it's built for. Easy to figure that out and make sense of it with the manual. It's a little easier on the machine vs waiting for it to heat up in your hands.
That said, I wouldn't go 3awg, I'd either leave at 4awg or bump it slightly to 4/0 if it fits well.
EDIT: "No thermal protection" - What he meant by that. - No fuse/breaker to trip when it gets hot. That's why you have to pay attention to duty cycle.
Last edited by Jbrew; Oct 28, 2022 at 11:25 PM.
I ordered 40 feet of 4 awg (20 feet each), and a new ground and electrode clamp. If I were to order it brand new from Lincoln, they'd send 4 awg too - that's what made up my mind.
Also bought stuff to make a wheel kit for it. That sum8itch is heavy!
Also bought stuff to make a wheel kit for it. That sum8itch is heavy!
(although hyper's handle around 600 hp N/A decently)
Last edited by white89gt; Oct 28, 2022 at 11:42 PM.






