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Old Oct 13, 2019 | 10:41 PM
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Nice! I wish so bad that I had some nice 85/86 GT seats in mine. What are your plans for those?

I have a question for you too.... why did you reverse the blade on your circular saw? Although the DeWalt snips are great, they are hard to use in the peaks on this metal. I am going to go pick up a Diablo metal blade tomorrow for my circular saw. Just wondering why you reversed the blade?
Old Oct 13, 2019 | 11:12 PM
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I'm going to replace the set in my '95 with these, since those aren't as perfect as these. (I'm being extra picky, because those are actually pretty nice, too.) Then I'll either sell the old ones or put them away to sell later. They're already going for about $200 a set on eBay. (The netted ones are a lot more, though.)

I used the blade backward at the recommendation of a friend. He told me there's less chance of the blade biting and tearing the thinner sheet material.

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Old Oct 13, 2019 | 11:20 PM
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Thanks for the explanation. I've seen this Diablo blade cut through thick stuff.... going the normal direction. I was wondering if it was because you weren't using a metal blade.
Old Oct 14, 2019 | 09:40 AM
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I thought you guys might be interested in this. Some of these I already knew.... The most surprising is Ryobi and Milwaukee having the same parent company (TTI).

Old Oct 14, 2019 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by white89gt
I thought you guys might be interested in this. Some of these I already knew.... The most surprising is Ryobi and Milwaukee having the same parent company (TTI).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGRVDRZbPkQ
Ryobi's been around for a while and has been buying up tool companies for a long time. Sometime in the 80's IIRC they bought a division of the Singer Sewing Machine Co. which made Craftsman Tools. They make all kinds of stuff including car parts to vacuum machines. It's not just tools.
Old Oct 14, 2019 | 02:13 PM
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The way I undersand it is... Diehl made some of the Craftsman power tools (motors, at least). They were a division of Singer Sewing machines. And yes, Ryobi made some stuff in there too.... drills IIRC. At some point, the Craftsman drills started getting made by DeWalt, previous to them being under the same parent company like they are now, SBD. There is a way to tell by the model numbers of their supplier is.... I'll hafta see if I can find that list.

The hand tools were made by Danaher, which changed their name to APEX at some point.

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EDIT: I'll be damned.... look what I found on Wiki....

The hardline mechanic's tools (wrenches, ratchets, and sockets) that make up the core of the brand have been made by a variety of manufacturers over the years, including New Britain,[18] Moore Drop Forging,[2] Stanley,[19] Easco Hand Tools,[20] Danaher Corporation, and most recently Apex Tool Group. Screwdrivers have been manufactured by Pratt-Read and Western Forge, but are now supplied mostly exclusively by Western Forge, who also supply pliers and adjustable wrenches.[21]

Beginning in 2010, hand tools manufactured for Craftsman by Apex Tool Group (formerly known as Danaher) such as ratchets, sockets, and wrenches began to be sourced overseas (mainly in China, although some are produced in Taiwan), while tools produced for Craftsman by Western Forge such as adjustable wrenches, screwdrivers, pliers and larger mechanic tool sets remain made in the United States, although as of 2018, most if not all of the production for these products have moved over to Asia. Sears still has an Industrial line which is sold through various authorized distributors. These tools are US made, appearing identical to their previous non-industrial US made counterparts, save for the "Industrial" name stamped on them. They are manufactured by Apex on the US production lines that previously produced the US made standard Craftsman product before production switched overseas to Asia.

Many Craftsman portable power tools have been manufactured by Techtronic Industries. Previously, these products were produced by the Diehl Motor Company (a one time division of Singer) and Ryobi. Both Singer and Ryobi have been condensed under the Techtronic company umbrella (these tools had a "315" or "973" prefix; most of the "315" product was made in the United States). Sears hand power tools have also been produced by DeWalt. These tools will typically have a "900" model prefix.[citation needed] Some, such as the corded and cordless drills, were indistinguishable, other than the color and decal labels. Many Craftsman bench and stationary power tools have been manufactured by Emerson Electric Company under the "113" model prefix (previously under the "103" model prefix which was King-Seeley, but Emerson bought them out in the 1960s) and DeWalt.[4] Air compressors were manufactured by DeVilbiss Air Power (part of Dewalt), and formerly by Campbell Hausfeld. (DeVilbiss sourced units have a "919" model prefix and Campbell Hausfield had a "106" model prefix).

Tool storage has typically been manufactured by Waterloo Industries ("706" model prefix), while Craftsman-branded garage door openers are manufactured by The Chamberlain Group ("139" model prefix). Hammers have been produced by Vaughan-Bushnell (coded "M" on the tool). Many of the automotive specialty tools such as feeler gauges and gap gauges have been made by A&E Tool Company of Racine, Wisconsin (these tools will have an "S" logo in a circle). Ullman Devices of Ridgefield, Connecticut makes many of the magnetic pick up tools, picks, and inspection mirrors for Sears.

Some tools have codes on them that correspond to the manufacturer that produced the product for Sears (see Alloy Artifacts website reference below). For example, on hand tools, codes on them will indicate who made them for Sears. For example, Western Forge sourced tools will have a "WF" stamped on the tool. Tools produced by Moore Drop Forge will have a "V" on them, tools from Pratt-Reed will have "PR" on them, Easco will have an "E" or "EE", and later Danaher made tools (US made) will have a "VV" or a "VɅ" (inverted second "V"). Pliers have been sourced by a few vendors including the aforementioned Western Forge "WF" tools and Wilde Industries which have a "P" on the tool. Some sockets (notably the 3/4 drive US made units) were made by S-K (coded "X" on the tool). Many major Sears Craftsman items as noted above also have a vendor prefix, which is typically the first three digits before the period or dash in the model number. These first three digits correspond to the vendor code, or the actual manufacturer contracted to make the product for Sears.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craftsman_(tools)

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Old Oct 14, 2019 | 02:33 PM
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Good stuff White. Craftsman's non-hand tools have had a questionable reputation by some, especially contractors, so this is some interesting information to know. The only thing I've really had against them is their use of unusual sizes. I have an old circular saw that the blade is a 1\4" smaller than what everyone else uses and a 3\8" drill that uses a chuck key that is different from everyone else's chuck key.

I learned about the prefix thing with Craftsman with my dad's old table saw that needed some parts. It's from the 50's and the prefix identifies it as a Delta Rockwell. That was surprising. Didn't expect Delta and I'd never heard of Delta and Rockwell being the same company. Both are considered quality tools by most woodworkers. Well, at least when they were U.S. made. What is great about Craftsman is all those old parts are still available.

EDIT: Just found this also on Wiki also;

Ryobi Limited (リョービ株式会社, Ryobi Kabushiki-kaisha) is a Japanese manufacturer of components for the automobile, electronics, and telecommunications industries. It also sells printing equipment, power tools, and builders' hardware.[3] Ryobi Power Tools and Ryobi Outdoor Power Equipment are brands of Techtronic Industries, used under license from Ryobi Limited. Techtronics Industries also owns Milwaukee, AEG (AEG Powertools, licensed from Electrolux), Homelite, Hoover US, Dirt Devil, and Vax.

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Old Oct 14, 2019 | 02:55 PM
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I also read that the Craftsman V20 you buy at Lowes comes from SBD. The Craftsman 20v you buy at Sears is made by another company all together through a licensing deal. The Sears stuff is garbage while the Lowes stuff is homeowner grade. Craftsman is not the same depending on where you buy it. I borrowed this from Toolguyd.

I recently wrote about how I believe there will definitely be confusion between Stanley Black & Decker’s new Craftsman cordless power tools, which will be available at Lowes, and the new Craftsman power tools that Sears is coming out with.

The new Stanley Black & Decker (SBD) Craftsman power tool lineup, as far as I consider them, are the new Craftsman tools, while Sears’ are licensed products, seeing as how SBD now owns the brand.

The average consumer probably won’t realize this.

In addition to the potential confusion just by the fact that there are now V20 and 20V tools with red and black color schemes and Craftsman branding, a reader reported about Sears associates and customer service agents being ill-informed, leading to inaccurate advice that the tools were compatible with Craftsman V20 and Dewalt product platforms.

Although I was nearly certain that the two new lines of Craftsman-branded 20V Max cordless power tools were not at all compatible, I reached out to Craftsman – on the SBD side of things – for confirmation.

Following is what I heard back from Jeff Doehne, General Manager for the Craftsman brand:
Stanley Black & Decker is not supplying Sears with their CRAFTSMAN 20V tools and 20V Diehard batteries. The 20V CRAFTSMAN products that have been released by Sears is not compatible with the new CRAFTSMAN V20 tool lineup that debuted at the brand’s launch event in mid-August.

The V20 lineup can be viewed on CRAFTSMAN.com, and will be available at Lowe’s Home Improvement, Ace Hardware, and on Amazon.com. Furthermore, the new V20 batteries produced by the CRAFTSMAN brand will not be compatible with the 20V products released by Sears.

We would also like to note that the CRAFTSMAN SKUs for our new products begin with “CMT” for easy identification. Additionally, the new products released by CRAFTSMAN are titled, “V20”, whereas the products released by Sears are “20V”. NEW CRAFTSMAN products can be viewed on CRAFTSMAN.com, and will be available at Lowe’s Home Improvement, Ace Hardware, and on Amazon.com later this year.
Earlier today I received a comment in reply to my post about the new Craftsman V20 cordless drills and drivers. Charlie wrote:
A big question for me is: are the SBD V20 batteries plug compatible with the Sears 20V batteries? I.E. Can I buy a SBC V20 and use it on a Sears Craftsman 20V tool and vice versa???? Nobody seems to be asking this….
This is the type of question I have been anticipating, and others like it will only increase in frequency as both Craftsman and Sears promote and advertise their power tools throughout the end of the year.

Craftsman’s response pushed my 99.9% certainty to 100%, and so I can now say with absolute confidence that the two cordless power tool platforms are not at all compatible.

NO, Craftsman V20 and 20V Max cordless power tools, batteries, and chargers, are not cross-platform compatible. To ensure compatibility, stick with the V20 lineup and look for a CMT model number prefix on everything.
Old Oct 14, 2019 | 03:32 PM
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That sucks... I wish that all of the cordless tool manufacturers would get together and standardize batteries. DeWalt seems to be the first to at least attempt it.... their 60 volt batteries use the same architecture as the 20 volts do.

If I had to start fresh right now, I'd go with Milwaukee for power tools, but I'm not at all disappointed with my DeWalt stuff. In fact, my 1/4" impact took a tumble off my 6 foot ladder on Saturday, and it took it like a champ.
Old Oct 14, 2019 | 04:08 PM
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Yeah, I'm a Dewalt guy myself. I have some their 12, 18 and 20v stuff. Milwaukee is great stuff but I'm a bargain hunter and I seem to able to find more deals on Dewalt now and then. I just add a drill here, a saw there etc. when they are on sale.



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