2011+ 55-60mph 5.0 Shuddering and EcoBoost Engine Miss/Loss of Power - Possible Fixes
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Seems to be dealers favorite words "could not duplicate". Your wheel could fall off at 50mph 100% of the time and they'll simply bolt it back on and say they couldn't duplicate the problem.
I'm fairly certain they are trained to say this on issue that Ford knows about but refuse to fix. The only way Ford is going to fix the shudder problem, that has been on-going for over a year now, is if someone dies as a result of it. Their engineers are engaged in designing a new transmission. One that will be available as a 2012.5 or 2013 option. How do I know this? Simple. It's SOP of almost any company to ignore costly problems that aren't really breaking anything. They simply redesign a new product and ignore the old long enough that either A) people sell their old and buy the new, or B) people deal with the old and call it a day. Apple did this with the iPhone 3GS and the reception issues. They threw a little money at it with new cases until they decided it was no longer an issue even though they didn't fix a damn thing.
Sorry, I've been "holding out" for a fix since I bought my truck last May. It's not a software issue like they keep claiming it is. Otherwise every F150 would have this issue. They don't. Software is software. It will run the same on any PCM. It's the hardware that differentiates us with problems from those without. Obviously there were some loose tolerances, poor QC or a long run of bad parts that have causes these issues. Otherwise it wouldn't be Joe with a fine transmission and John with a crap transmission. I say transmission since that's is the common denominator between all motors experiencing this issue. It most certainly is a transmission issue, and Ford knows this. A TSB here, a reflash and clear KAM there, smooth out someones transmission just long enough to bide them some time to come up with another cheap fix that fixes nothing.
I may come off as a bit harsh here, but these are the facts we are dealing with. I'll lay $100 down that this issue is not fixed before a new transmission design is presented and this gets swept under the rug. Just long enough that most of our warranties are out and we either deal with it or buy a new truck.
I'm fairly certain they are trained to say this on issue that Ford knows about but refuse to fix. The only way Ford is going to fix the shudder problem, that has been on-going for over a year now, is if someone dies as a result of it. Their engineers are engaged in designing a new transmission. One that will be available as a 2012.5 or 2013 option. How do I know this? Simple. It's SOP of almost any company to ignore costly problems that aren't really breaking anything. They simply redesign a new product and ignore the old long enough that either A) people sell their old and buy the new, or B) people deal with the old and call it a day. Apple did this with the iPhone 3GS and the reception issues. They threw a little money at it with new cases until they decided it was no longer an issue even though they didn't fix a damn thing.
Sorry, I've been "holding out" for a fix since I bought my truck last May. It's not a software issue like they keep claiming it is. Otherwise every F150 would have this issue. They don't. Software is software. It will run the same on any PCM. It's the hardware that differentiates us with problems from those without. Obviously there were some loose tolerances, poor QC or a long run of bad parts that have causes these issues. Otherwise it wouldn't be Joe with a fine transmission and John with a crap transmission. I say transmission since that's is the common denominator between all motors experiencing this issue. It most certainly is a transmission issue, and Ford knows this. A TSB here, a reflash and clear KAM there, smooth out someones transmission just long enough to bide them some time to come up with another cheap fix that fixes nothing.
I may come off as a bit harsh here, but these are the facts we are dealing with. I'll lay $100 down that this issue is not fixed before a new transmission design is presented and this gets swept under the rug. Just long enough that most of our warranties are out and we either deal with it or buy a new truck.
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Same problem. Just got mine back from the dealer . They told me they could not duplicate the problem !! Does this count as one notch towards the lemon law if they did not find a problem ?? My gas mileage also dropped considerably . They also told me , if I could produce any factual paperwork in connection to this problem, they would look into it !!
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Where did you take it? Al Packer? Norris?
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From: Concord, NC
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I'm beginning to suspect the tranny as well. As for sweeping the problem under the rug, I have a 10yr 120K mile extension. The dealer will hate me for a long time. This is a problem that can be fixed with the right engineering. As previous poster noted though, it's cheaper to redesign and fix it in the next model year. I wonder if there is a legal avenue that can be taken? Or, perhaps NHSTA might have a roll here. Some have had their truck crap out when accelerating to highway speed. I don't know if it has anything to do with this, but then who does know?
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I'm beginning to suspect the tranny as well. As for sweeping the problem under the rug, I have a 10yr 120K mile extension. The dealer will hate me for a long time. This is a problem that can be fixed with the right engineering. As previous poster noted though, it's cheaper to redesign and fix it in the next model year. I wonder if there is a legal avenue that can be taken? Or, perhaps NHSTA might have a roll here. Some have had their truck crap out when accelerating to highway speed. I don't know if it has anything to do with this, but then who does know?
You are right. A legal approach is the only way they are going to open their eyes. Unfortunately it's going to take a lot of us to make that happen. I've already submitted my lemon paperwork to my lawyer. I suggest contacting the BBB, NHTSA and your state Attorney General. For me:
1st visit: They reflashed and replaced my C-clutches
2nd visit: Would not acknowledge a problem - characteristic of the truck
3rd visit: Reflash and cleared KAM - rebalanced tires
4th visit: Would not acknowledge a problem - placed blame on my driving habits
5th visit: Reflash and cleared KAM
So, what is it? Is there a problem or is the problem with me? Why keep trying to fix it if there is no problem? No arbitrator in their right mind is going to side with Ford.
You need to have it all documented. By sitting around doing nothing will do no one any good. You, me, the rest of us.
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Definitely drive the truck for the mechanic and their laptop, otherwise you are gonna hear that they couldn't duplicate. Even after mine was documented by the dealership I took it back again and was told they couldn't duplicate the problem. Keep taking it back until you get it documented 3 times that they felt it and could not fix it. Then call the number for ford in your warranty guide and get a case number. After that we're on our way to getting this fixed.
I did take mine in today because Ford wanted pictures of the chrome tip on the tailpipe. The manager agreed to replace the tip but he also asked if a mechanic could take the truck out with a laptop and get instant mpg readings. By their computer my truck was getting 17.1 hiway and rising. It also continued to climb on my way home. I don't know if they did anything or not but it's nice if it keeps going up. I could still get it to shudder but it wasn't as harsh.
I did take mine in today because Ford wanted pictures of the chrome tip on the tailpipe. The manager agreed to replace the tip but he also asked if a mechanic could take the truck out with a laptop and get instant mpg readings. By their computer my truck was getting 17.1 hiway and rising. It also continued to climb on my way home. I don't know if they did anything or not but it's nice if it keeps going up. I could still get it to shudder but it wasn't as harsh.
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Originally Posted by Coord
Is this an physical stall you are talking about or an aeronomical (sic)? I find I hard to believe that a turbine wheel spin at the speed the do can temporary stop without exploding itself........
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i have a may 2011 built 5.0 fx4 s/crew. mine has the 6th gear shudder also when going up a slight grade of 2 degrees. also i noticed in 6th gear and rpm about 1700 i tap and hold the gas pedal, dont let it downshift to 5th. rpms go up to 2000 but suddenly drop back to 1700 without letting off the gas. there also seems to be a bog in the motor at that time. the truck never goes out of 6th gear. it does this every time. i told the dealer and they said they could not replicate the problem. please try yours!!