!. Key fobs differ by more than the number of buttons. On what do you base this. I base my statement that they don't differ much on common sense and experience. There is just no reason economically or conceptually for them to be different.

2. Have you driven a modern F-150 with push-button start? No, only a 2018 GMC Terrian. I've never driven one with a key and push on the floor either, or wait yes I have, My dad's 1952 International PU. I think. I have seen a lot of them. The key turned on the power to the switch and the floor switch started. In today's PB start, a key fob signals the computer to turn on the power and the push button on the dash starts the truck. Same thing.

3. I'm done shopping. I have a 2018 XLT bought new in May. Oklahoma edition. That's 301A on the package and a trailer hitch, basically.

4. What's the plan. My original post was not even about wanting to upgrade. I just made some surmises about how hard it would be. I evidently included some controversial points. I just wanted some sane conservation on the subject. I don't really care now, I'm just relying to post where people misquote me or disparage my intelligence. No sane conservation heard.

5. It didn't make any difference what I was "set on". I could easily justify what I got. A Lariat starts $7000 dollars higher, I just looked. I live within my means. I don't buy anything to impress myself or others.

Question: It's easy to see that the wiring harness is the same for all Ford pickups. Even the plugs are there for the PB start, for the trailer control and everything else. With a pickup without a trailer hitch on the bumer all you have to do is add the connectors and the wiring can be plugged in. Why do you think the Key Fobs are not basically the same? Just a different case and switches. All small PC boards that have several functions are built to add all the functions even if only some are used. That is just basic. There is no reason for any keyfob to cost more than $5.00 to build. In the quantities that Ford buys them closer to a dollar. I understand they retail for much more than that. That's marketing 101.

I haven't checked this for grammar. Please excuse.

 

Example:


Which part of that unlocks the doors while the key is in your pocket as you stand next to the truck? Which parts in the truck search for and recognize the key that is in your pocket so it knows to unlock for you but not when the key isn't next to the truck?


Which trim level of F150 is that? I don't recall seeing any F150s on any of the sales lots without a receiver.


Is it the definition of insanity to re-request that you provide some sort of evidence support this claim?

 

So. On with the plan.

What is the plan?

Are you going to retrofit your XLT to have a button that you push after you put the key in? Or are you going to go for pushing the button with the key still in your pocket? Any plans for proximity entry? Think you could start a thread on it with details and pictures as you go?

 

"Which trim level of F150 is that? I don't recall seeing any F150s on any of the sales lots without a receiver" Just because you don't recall doesn't mean they weren't there. They are. You ask me for proof, but for you " I don't recall is sufficient"? I will admit that most dealers always order a hitch. A hitch is one of the actual options on a F-150.

"Which part of that unlocks the doors while the key is in your pocket as you stand next to the truck? Which parts in the truck search for and recognize the key that is in your pocket so it knows to unlock for you but not when the key isn't next to the truck?" I don't understand what you are asking for. The computer? Which part of what? Are asking about a modern truck or sarcastically talking about the older trucks?

"Is it the definition of insanity to re-request that you provide some sort of evidence support this claim?" There are all sorts of key fobs on ebay that lock and unlock doors that sell for less than $10.00. There are also other key fobs on ebay that work as remote start and in your pocket push button start for about $15.00. Remember I said rebuild for less than $5.00. If it can be sold for $15.00 it can be made for $5.00. And no I'm not going to include a link. There are many of them. If you want just search for key fob.

"Key fobs differ by more than the number of buttons. On what do you base this." It is industry standard to make small PC boards with a computer on them to complete the tasks it is designed for. These tiny computers will virtually all have many functions with not all of them used. Since they are on a PC board all the places for switches are printed. Sometimes even the microswitches are present. Just add caps. I can't give you a single link to prove this. You'll need to study the building and use of these computer chips. It is possible with specialized chips today to make a 4 button remote that operates on rf, wifi or bluetooth with just a single chip and less than half dozen other parts. The two button remote would just use two of the switches. I can make one in single quantities for less than $10.00. Multiple copies will be far less. There are many sites where a four or more or less button remote (rf or bluetooth) kits are sold for just a few dollars. I have to hurry this up. Storms in the area and my wifi is on and off. The only difference between a keyfob for any car is the programming on the chip. The only difference between a car remote and a TV remote is the programming on the chip and TV remotes have a bunch of keys and many can be had for less than $10.00.

Again I don't understand why the argument. Anyone with any tech savy will know these things. And if you don't have any tech savy why are you arguing with me about it?

 

Hmm interesting. ont weigh inother than to state that my truck is a 2016 XLT 302. Came from the factory, as most of you know, with a keyed ignition. To add push button start I had to get a BCM, ECU and key fob from a donor truck so that I didnt have to try n find someone with a PATS security password that would trust me enough to use it to program the necessary parameters. Push button start inherently has built in security to prevent unauthorized access etc. I will tell you this, I added a receiver ant to the tail gate, center console and dash....in addition I also upgraded my driver and passenger side door handle for proximity/intelligent access. While in premise the keyed ignition acts as a button, the 2 differ on security. This is all... Carry on

 

I already told you there was never a plan to put a push button start on my pickup. I was pointing out similarities between now and the 1940's

I've made that very clear over and over.

I'll present another idea. My XLT has the keypad on the outside. With the correct information that keypad could do the same thing as the proximity key-pad.
In other words key in your personal code on the keypad, open the door and push the start button. There are several problems. For instance how to program the computer so that it knows you have exited. It would be good for the engine to shut off if you just opened a door or unlocked the door from the inside.

I'm not going to do this either. Why do you denigrate me for thinking? Most of my posts were just rebutting ignorance. I think many people have no idea how computers in a vehicle work, but still feel they should comment.

It is certain that in a vehicle including the F-150 there is no difference in the computers trim level to trim level. The wiring is the same. The cutouts for the switches and sensors are there. The sensors are the big difference. Not going to have the driving assist sensors on all vehicles. But those things are easily added and cost little. I know they cost little since I can look them up, or look up similar products. Vehicles have a few sensors that are specific to vehicles, but most are off the shelf. The self driving and location sensors are off the shelf.

 

Mr. Guthrie, pardon me for the intrusion, Sir. I mean no offense. With whom are you arguing ? Have you had too much caffeine ? I think you would feel a lot better if you just ignored these threads you are arguing on. I am pretty sure everyone gets your points. I am pretty sure not everyone is going to agree with you about everything.

 

Why did you write to me? Two to argue. If you write a post addressed to me it would be an insult for me not to answer.

 

OK. I am now thinking methamphetamine.

 

And I'm thinking Ol Grey Mule might be another word for ahole.