Push button start
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Not singling out the push button start. But talking about it because it's not an option. It's part of a package. And I fail to see any reason not to wonder about it and try to understand it.
And also because push-button start is conceptually simple. All vehicles basically have push-button start. It's called a key. Leave the key in the ignition and it's just a switch. Exactly like a push button switch. Twist or push.
And also because push-button start is conceptually simple. All vehicles basically have push-button start. It's called a key. Leave the key in the ignition and it's just a switch. Exactly like a push button switch. Twist or push.
Nobody. Nobody talking about push button start is talking about inserting their key and then pushing a button instead of turning the key
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Not sure what you are reading into my post. But there is no difference conceptually between a key start and push-button. In one case the key itself energizes the system so that the switch will work. And in the other case the computer does the work.
"...All vehicles do not basically have push-button start in the way that matters or the way that Ford does it. You can't walk up to all vehicles with your key in your pocket and just open the locked door, nor can you just turn the ignition to start the car with the key in your pocket...."
You are correct and I did not say that or suggest it.
"...Nobody. Nobody talking about push button start is talking about inserting their key and then pushing a button instead of turning the key..." Again correct, I was just using it as a concept. And come to think of it vehicles used to start that way. Put the key in and push the start switch on the floor or the dash.
Again push-button start as anyone including Ford does it is an easy concept. It's a very old concept. Instead of the key activating the circuit the computer does it upon a signal that a key fob is near.
What are you arguing about? You are putting words in my mouth.
"...All vehicles do not basically have push-button start in the way that matters or the way that Ford does it. You can't walk up to all vehicles with your key in your pocket and just open the locked door, nor can you just turn the ignition to start the car with the key in your pocket...."
You are correct and I did not say that or suggest it.
"...Nobody. Nobody talking about push button start is talking about inserting their key and then pushing a button instead of turning the key..." Again correct, I was just using it as a concept. And come to think of it vehicles used to start that way. Put the key in and push the start switch on the floor or the dash.
Again push-button start as anyone including Ford does it is an easy concept. It's a very old concept. Instead of the key activating the circuit the computer does it upon a signal that a key fob is near.
What are you arguing about? You are putting words in my mouth.
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I'm 74. And until I had a vehicle with a push-button start I thought similar to you, that PB start was really silly. After I used it for a while I found out it is quite handy to just walk up to the car, pull the handle get in and push a button. My Levi's have become tight and it's a pain to drag a key out. Sometimes literally. I'm old but I don't believe how it used to be done is better. Mostly it's just someone who can't adapt.
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Again push-button start as anyone including Ford does it is an easy concept. It's a very old concept. Instead of the key activating the circuit the computer does it upon a signal that a key fob is near.
What are you arguing about? You are putting words in my mouth.
What are you arguing about? You are putting words in my mouth.
The problem is that you keep talking about something that doesn't even exist. Or, if it does exist, it's not on a modern F150
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Thinking about the concept of push-button start for the F-150, I've come to the conclusion it's a cheap way for Ford and other car companies to make money. Especially bundling it with other expensive options. Push-button start should be no more expensive or difficult to offer than a normal key start. The procedure is simple, use a push-button instead of the key switch. Both are simple switches. The key provides the security in one case and computer programming and the key fob the security in the case of push-button starting.
Furthermore, any vehicle could be retrofitted to allow push-button start. Just put an appropriate switch somewhere on the dash and wire it in parallel with the key switch. That wouldn't be very secure since anyone could start the thing, but easily done. It could also be done by interrupting the data stream from the remote starting the vehicle.
But both push-button and remote start are features that cost little to implement and can be bundled with other high-end features to make a large profit for automakers. Both likely cost less than $25.00 to implement. An updated key fob with a remote start button on it might cost an extra dollar or two. Neither uses any expensive components.
Any comments? Agree or disagree. Try not to get personal.
Furthermore, any vehicle could be retrofitted to allow push-button start. Just put an appropriate switch somewhere on the dash and wire it in parallel with the key switch. That wouldn't be very secure since anyone could start the thing, but easily done. It could also be done by interrupting the data stream from the remote starting the vehicle.
But both push-button and remote start are features that cost little to implement and can be bundled with other high-end features to make a large profit for automakers. Both likely cost less than $25.00 to implement. An updated key fob with a remote start button on it might cost an extra dollar or two. Neither uses any expensive components.
Any comments? Agree or disagree. Try not to get personal.
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For those of you who say if you wanted push-button start just get the option. Well, first it isn't an option by itself. Second, on the F-150 I think I would have to get a very highly optioned PU. I believe at least the Lariat. And there are then the self-driving or semi-self driving options that I think are great, but I would not be able to use them for most of my driving. I would have to pay several thousand dollars for options I couldn't use just to get the PB start, which is a very simple concept.
The self-driving (almost) options are definitely not simple. A lot of the roads I travel on are not marked at all, no side white lines and sometimes not even a center line.
The vehicle I had before had push button start and simple entry on a midlevel vehicle. No adaptive cruise, no lane keeping or other almost self-steering.
The self-driving (almost) options are definitely not simple. A lot of the roads I travel on are not marked at all, no side white lines and sometimes not even a center line.
The vehicle I had before had push button start and simple entry on a midlevel vehicle. No adaptive cruise, no lane keeping or other almost self-steering.
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For those of you who say if you wanted push-button start just get the option. Well, first it isn't an option by itself. Second, on the F-150 I think I would have to get a very highly optioned PU. I believe at least the Lariat. And there are then the self-driving or semi-self driving options that I think are great, but I would not be able to use them for most of my driving. I would have to pay several thousand dollars for options I couldn't use just to get the PB start, which is a very simple concept.
The self-driving (almost) options are definitely not simple. A lot of the roads I travel on are not marked at all, no side white lines and sometimes not even a center line.
The vehicle I had before had push button start and simple entry on a midlevel vehicle. No adaptive cruise, no lane keeping or other almost self-steering.
The self-driving (almost) options are definitely not simple. A lot of the roads I travel on are not marked at all, no side white lines and sometimes not even a center line.
The vehicle I had before had push button start and simple entry on a midlevel vehicle. No adaptive cruise, no lane keeping or other almost self-steering.
You can get a Lariat with push button start and no adaptive cruise, no lane keep assist, no parking assist, no blind spot information system, no reverse sensing, if you so desire. That would be a Lariat 500A. Or, you could get a Lariat 501A, which would add reverse sensing and blind spot information system, but none of the others.
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"...Comment...it's a waste of time to make up a "concept" that does not exist, pretend Ford did it, and blame them for using it as a cheap way to make money when that's not what they did because what you are talking about isn't even a thing..."
Say what??? Push- button start doesn't exist? I don't pretend Ford didn't do it. My XLT has the place in the dash to put the switch...and the wiring
If you will go back to the post that apparently offends you so much you will see that I say I WOULD put all the options on all the vehicles and then disable them to make cheaper models. I would do it. Ford does it also of course. I place no blame on them for doing it. All car manufacturers do it. I said it would make the vehicles, all the built levels cheaper. I have no fault with that.
I believe you need to learn to understand what you read a little better. All that rancor and posting because you misunderstood. ie didn't read correctly.
Say what??? Push- button start doesn't exist? I don't pretend Ford didn't do it. My XLT has the place in the dash to put the switch...and the wiring
If you will go back to the post that apparently offends you so much you will see that I say I WOULD put all the options on all the vehicles and then disable them to make cheaper models. I would do it. Ford does it also of course. I place no blame on them for doing it. All car manufacturers do it. I said it would make the vehicles, all the built levels cheaper. I have no fault with that.
I believe you need to learn to understand what you read a little better. All that rancor and posting because you misunderstood. ie didn't read correctly.
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Mine vehicle is an XLT. I believe the Lariat has options above the XLT. Perhaps not the self-driving options. Still, several thousand dollars more to get the PB start.
That was my point, which you ignored.
And the secondary point is that the only thing missing for PB start is the switch and the key fob. The computer takes care of the rest, and it only requires flashing.
Put the push-button in, remove the key switch and add the key fob. Probably cheaper or about the same cost either way, since the key fob is the same inside, it just has a third plastic push button, the switch is very likely already on the PC board inside. If not provisions for it are there.
That was my point, which you ignored.
And the secondary point is that the only thing missing for PB start is the switch and the key fob. The computer takes care of the rest, and it only requires flashing.
Put the push-button in, remove the key switch and add the key fob. Probably cheaper or about the same cost either way, since the key fob is the same inside, it just has a third plastic push button, the switch is very likely already on the PC board inside. If not provisions for it are there.
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"...Comment...it's a waste of time to make up a "concept" that does not exist, pretend Ford did it, and blame them for using it as a cheap way to make money when that's not what they did because what you are talking about isn't even a thing..."
Say what??? Push- button start doesn't exist? I don't pretend Ford didn't do it. My XLT has the place in the dash to put the switch...and the wiring
If you will go back to the post that apparently offends you so much you will see that I say I WOULD put all the options on all the vehicles and then disable them to make cheaper models. I would do it. Ford does it also of course. I place no blame on them for doing it. All car manufacturers do it. I said it would make the vehicles, all the built levels cheaper. I have no fault with that.
I believe you need to learn to understand what you read a little better. All that rancor and posting because you misunderstood. ie didn't read correctly.
Say what??? Push- button start doesn't exist? I don't pretend Ford didn't do it. My XLT has the place in the dash to put the switch...and the wiring
If you will go back to the post that apparently offends you so much you will see that I say I WOULD put all the options on all the vehicles and then disable them to make cheaper models. I would do it. Ford does it also of course. I place no blame on them for doing it. All car manufacturers do it. I said it would make the vehicles, all the built levels cheaper. I have no fault with that.
I believe you need to learn to understand what you read a little better. All that rancor and posting because you misunderstood. ie didn't read correctly.
Your vehicle does not have everything it needs to operate the push button start and proximity entry features that Lariat+ comes with.
Take a look at some of the threads of folks modifying and upgrading their vehicles to get options the vehicle did not come with and you'll see.
There are going to be a few cases where including and not 'activating' makes sense, but mostly that is not done because it does not save money
And, again, having a button next to the ignition is not why people want push button start lol
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But both push-button and remote start are features that cost little to implement and can be bundled with other high-end features to make a large profit for automakers. Both likely cost less than $25.00 to implement. An updated key fob with a remote start button on it might cost an extra dollar or two. Neither uses any expensive components.
Who really believes that you can get that updated key fob for "an extra dollar or two". People that have actually bought a spare fob might differ with you.
So until we actually see some documentation proving that those dollar numbers are accurate, they will have to be categorized as wishful thinking, not as facts.