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Old Feb 10, 2021 | 07:54 PM
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Anyone else experience the control arm tearing out of your frame? I have a 2015 Ford F150 Lariat. Was pulling into a parking spot when the right front wheel let go. Dealership says it is gonna cost about $14,000.00 to fix.
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How does the average body and frame shop heat treat the frame again in the areas weakened by the heat of welding?

It can most definitely can be welded up, but NO Ford dealership would do it.

The welding heat weakens the HS steel.....that is certain. By how much, who knows? Tack on supporting structure adds strength for sure, but how much?

HSS is thinner and stronger. Heat treatment gives it the strength, as opposed to more expensive alloys. You heat it up, you weaken it.
The steel Ford uses is hardly "high strength", this is really just marketing BS as their own documentation indicates that it has the yield strength of normal low-carbon mild steel. They used to use 36,000psi steel for their frames, A36 steel or similar; but they started using 49,300psi steel, 1010-1030 or similar and called it high strength by comparison. Both of these mild steels can be easily welded with standard ER70S6 MIG wire which has an as welded yield strength of 65,500psi. No after weld heat treating is required, but care should be taken to reinforce the repaired area as there was obviously a defect in that area that failed.

The "high strength" steel being used on the frames has nominal thickness of 0.087" for LD frames, 0.100" for HD frames, and 0.110" for HD/HPP frames. Back when Ford used 36,000psi steel for some of the 2009-2014 frames, the nominal thickness was 0.150", and the same year 49,300psi frames were 0.100" and 0.110" nominal thickness by comparison.

I do agree that no Ford dealer will do this, but they aren't welding shops and they don't all have big collision shops where frame repair is a common practice. A Ford dealer will only replace the frame or frame section because that is the only type of repair that is officially approved by Ford. Other types of repairs really need to be looked at on a case by case basis so there's no good way to offer official guidance outside of saying "repairs are not recommended, just replace the whole frame or frame section".
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Rust?

any photo?
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 06:13 AM
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Have you owned since new or did you buy used? Previous damage? Seems unlikely this would happen without some sort of previous incident.
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jeffys64
Anyone else experience the control arm tearing out of your frame? I have a 2015 Ford F150 Lariat. Was pulling into a parking spot when the right front wheel let go. Dealership says it is gonna cost about $14,000.00 to fix.
sounds like a frame replacement.
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 07:19 AM
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Have to sit and watch on this one.
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 07:25 AM
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Agree with the others, need vehicle details and background information.
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 08:29 AM
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Is truck suspension stock?

As mentioned would like to see pics

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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 08:34 AM
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lmfao 14k!??!?!? What are they doing... replacing a broken mount with a gold plated one?
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 08:41 AM
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Had to check my calendar on this one. 49 days to go.
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Old Feb 11, 2021 | 09:07 AM
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I fixed a vehicle that this happen to once before. Correct repair is a new frame or frame section. In the case I worked on that wasn’t a option so it was beat and welded back into place and wavier of how it should have been fixed. Ford doesn’t have a approved repair of and suspension mountings points or parts
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