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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 02:30 PM
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It is my understanding that the OEM cameras are now FP-link balanced LVDS, not NSTC.

I do plan on implementing (attempting) the original poster's front view for parking by switching the one APIM feed to the (new not yet purchased) front cam. Should be enough time to roll up when parking.

I'm guessing the lockpick sends a CAN signal to the APIM saying it is still in reverse and converting NSTC to LVDS for the aftermarket camera support.

Anyone know better? :o

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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by oldandfeeble
It is my understanding that the OEM cameras are now FP-link balanced LVDS, not NSTC.

I do plan on implementing (attempting) the original poster's front view for parking by switching the one APIM feed to the (new not yet purchased) front cam. Should be enough time to roll up when parking.

I'm guessing the lockpick sends a CAN signal to the APIM saying it is still in reverse and converting NSTC to LVDS for the aftermarket camera support.

Anyone know better? :o

Dave
Mmm, good points. I never bothered to check if the OE camera was ntsc or not. I'll put a fluke to it and see if I see the 3mA coming across. If I do, well its a good bet it is indeed low voltage diff signaled

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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by oldandfeeble
It is my understanding that the OEM cameras are now FP-link balanced LVDS, not NSTC.
Hum... That is not a good news if it is true. I dont know if the OP original idea can work if the output of the camera are digital...

In your case TexasFording, I don't know if you are going to be able to test the camera you have because since you dont have an IPMB, then the camera will not be connected to the LIN network to receive the command to transmit its video...
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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 04:52 PM
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Hum... That is not a good news if it is true. I dont know if the OP original idea can work if the output of the camera are digital...

In your case TexasFording, I don't know if you are going to be able to test the camera you have because since you dont have an IPMB, then the camera will not be connected to the LIN network to receive the command to transmit its video...
In that case its a matter of testing it with a lockpick, if it doesnt work, well then we're FUBAR and that will be the end of this project, meaning time to go aftermarket camera with lockpick, the least desirable combination.

I guess an alternative is a lower-tech one, which is the rostra (or whatever) front bumper sonar sensors.
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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 07:55 PM
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On the 1st you said you were dropping this project, but I could not decipher your reasons. What made you step back?
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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 09:35 PM
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TF
On the 1st you said you were dropping this project, but I could not decipher your reasons. What made you step back?
Read the other thread, full explanation there.
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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 11:14 PM
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I've been looking around trying to find information about the type of camera used; if its LVDS or NTSC... Didn't find anything conclusive, but I found this;

http://www.oemautopartsco.com/collec...nt=26444200327

This looks like it would be a standard RCA plug, so most likely a standard NTSC signal...

Dont know how reliable this is thou... Not sure if 2015 and 2016 are the same (MyFordTouch vs Sync3)
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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 11:25 PM
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That is a cable with adapter for an additional/alternate aftermarket camera. I don't see any way to plug in an OEM camera there? Instructions say plug the oem camera direct into the factory screen.

These cables house electronics and I suspect they do a conversion as well as spoofing CAN bus commands.

Genie instructions "Simply install your backup camera to your factory radio screen then plug this Genie programmer into your vehicle's OBDII port (under your steering column). The programmer will enable the backup camera feature on your vehicle's computer just like it would from the factory."

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Old Nov 3, 2016 | 11:42 PM
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Well, the way I see it is that you use this product to "add" an aftermarket camera to a vehicle that didn't come with a backup camera.

The ODBGenie just reprogram the APIM to react to the "reverse" position. But that aint what I'm looking at. (Anyway, FORScan can do this...)

What I see is that the small "plug in series hardness" exposes a standard RCA female video jack, which is probably used with a standard NTSC video source.

If this is the case, than it looks like the video signal is indeed analog from the camera to the IPMB or the APIM.

This could make the original post of this tread viable to add an aftermarket front camera as proposed by the OP.
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Old Nov 4, 2016 | 12:01 AM
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Perhaps somone with such a cable could confirm that the wires pass directly from the RCA to a connector or do they enter a module where it could be converted to LVDS first.

The physical wiring shielding etc is consistant with LVDS, the diagrams use twisted pair symbols, plus labels such as D+ D-.

I also offer this snippet from a semiconductor press release:
At the CES, Ford also showed for the first time its new SYNC3 infotainment system,
developed in close cooperation Texas Instruments and containing several contributions
out of TI's development department. The system is built around TI's OMAP5 processor.
For wireless communications it contains TI's WiLink 8Q single-chip solution for WiFi,
Bluetooth 4.0 which also takes the part of navigation reception for all GNSS systems
(GPS, GLONASS, Beidou and Galileo).

Camera connection is established through FPD Link III SerDes chips.
All together, these building blocks enable the SYNC 3 to offer handsfree Bluetooth connectivity,
enhanced driver interactivity and improved voice recognition capabilities, claims TI.

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