Adding Acetone to Gasoline
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I didn't write "use Wikipedia". I wrote use a chemistry wiki.
There are many excellent ones out there from multiple prestigious universities.
For example.
http://www2.chemistry.msu.edu/facult...Jml/intro1.htm
http://www.organic-chemistry.org/
And of course there's MIT's great open course program
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/chemistry...i-spring-2003/.
...Are we all still on this? I thought I had read on here (several months ago) a through breakdown including a myriad of additives, and why they are/are NOT good for individual applications. Using alcohol-based and strong solvent additives as a preventive measure in E10 gasoline is not a good idea, since this will only increase water absorption and parts disintegration, and may also raise ethanol content over manufacturer recommended 10% maximum. If you're running E10 fuel (here in IA E10 is .10c cheaper than unleaded) then adding anything with alcohol will only hurt you, and nearly ALL additives contain a variation of alcohol (deceptive advertising).
...better yet, just read this: http://www.fuel-testers.com/list_e10_engine_damage.html
Perhaps it will finally close this topic.
...better yet, just read this: http://www.fuel-testers.com/list_e10_engine_damage.html
Perhaps it will finally close this topic.
, isopropyl alcohol is a mix of acetone and alcohol
.Why mix alcohol with more alcohol???That link is about ethanol (which contains alcohol). I completely agree ethanol is not doing us, gasoline, or the economy (even if it was not *** backwards) any favors.
Well Gee WIz, I guess that its safe to keep discussing this topic and not the topic of ethanol..(that contains water and alcohol)
I was really hoping you could shut this thing down with something brilliant, guess not.....but you can try again!
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Seems to me the 3800$ Oreilly's wants for a remanufactured engine is a bit pricey to experiment with trying to use PAINT THINNER as FUEL. This seems like drinking DRANO to keep me REGULAR!
IT JUST AINT' A GOOD IDEA!
Go for it, I'll stop n let you use my cell phone to call a towtruck.
IT JUST AINT' A GOOD IDEA!Go for it, I'll stop n let you use my cell phone to call a towtruck.
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First off here's the link and no it's not from the bible...http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
Second.... Please don't tell anyone you "know" better then anyone, this is not a pissing contest. This is a f150 forum where DISCUSSION is supposed to take place... Unless you have completed every conceivable experiment, with every chemical known to man, and somehow you landed here on the forum, to grace us with your presence and abundant knowledge that no one can wave a stick at!.... If you haven't, then you need to retain an open mind and accept the fact that some if not all the information you posses still has the remote chance of being absolutely wrong. Remember there is 3 sides to every story... Yours, mine, and the truth.
Go try acetone in your gas, and then report back.
Second.... Please don't tell anyone you "know" better then anyone, this is not a pissing contest. This is a f150 forum where DISCUSSION is supposed to take place... Unless you have completed every conceivable experiment, with every chemical known to man, and somehow you landed here on the forum, to grace us with your presence and abundant knowledge that no one can wave a stick at!.... If you haven't, then you need to retain an open mind and accept the fact that some if not all the information you posses still has the remote chance of being absolutely wrong. Remember there is 3 sides to every story... Yours, mine, and the truth.
Go try acetone in your gas, and then report back.
Right....
Goes to credibility son.
I took my undergrad in organic chemistry.
And you have an internet connection.
Obviously our opinions on the subject matter should carry the same weight.
Sorry.
Next time I'll honor diversity and hold respect for all diverging opinions.
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acetone is not alcohol, isopropyl alcohol is a mix of acetone and alcohol.Why mix alcohol with more alcohol???
That link is about ethanol (which contains alcohol). I completely agree ethanol is not doing us, gasoline, or the economy (even if it was not *** backwards) any favors.
Well Gee WIz, I guess that its safe to keep discussing this topic and not the topic of ethanol..(that contains water and alcohol)
I was really hoping you could shut this thing down with something brilliant, guess not.....but you can try again!
, isopropyl alcohol is a mix of acetone and alcohol.Why mix alcohol with more alcohol???That link is about ethanol (which contains alcohol). I completely agree ethanol is not doing us, gasoline, or the economy (even if it was not *** backwards) any favors.
Well Gee WIz, I guess that its safe to keep discussing this topic and not the topic of ethanol..(that contains water and alcohol)
I was really hoping you could shut this thing down with something brilliant, guess not.....but you can try again!
Acetone is a 3 carbon chain with a central carbonyl group.
Tiny amounts of acetone will be present in concentrated solutions of isopropyl alcohol due to resonance at the carbonyl group but the Keq for acetone in concentrated isopropyl is going to be so small as to be insignificant.
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Isopropyl alcohol is isopropyl alcohol, namely a propanol with the hydroxy (-OH) group attached to the central carbon.
Acetone is a 3 carbon chain with a central carbonyl group.
Tiny amounts of acetone will be present in concentrated solutions of isopropyl alcohol due to resonance at the carbonyl group but the Keq for acetone in concentrated isopropyl is going to be so small as to be insignificant.
Acetone is a 3 carbon chain with a central carbonyl group.
Tiny amounts of acetone will be present in concentrated solutions of isopropyl alcohol due to resonance at the carbonyl group but the Keq for acetone in concentrated isopropyl is going to be so small as to be insignificant.
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First off here's the link and no it's not from the bible...http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
Second.... Please don't tell anyone you "know" better then anyone, this is not a pissing contest. This is a f150 forum where DISCUSSION is supposed to take place... Unless you have completed every conceivable experiment, with every chemical known to man, and somehow you landed here on the forum, to grace us with your presence and abundant knowledge that no one can wave a stick at!.... If you haven't, then you need to retain an open mind and accept the fact that some if not all the information you posses still has the remote chance of being absolutely wrong. Remember there is 3 sides to every story... Yours, mine, and the truth.
Go try acetone in your gas, and then report back.
Second.... Please don't tell anyone you "know" better then anyone, this is not a pissing contest. This is a f150 forum where DISCUSSION is supposed to take place... Unless you have completed every conceivable experiment, with every chemical known to man, and somehow you landed here on the forum, to grace us with your presence and abundant knowledge that no one can wave a stick at!.... If you haven't, then you need to retain an open mind and accept the fact that some if not all the information you posses still has the remote chance of being absolutely wrong. Remember there is 3 sides to every story... Yours, mine, and the truth.
Go try acetone in your gas, and then report back.
Discussion is welcome, but putting up garbage to try and convince someone to do something that might damage an engine (or engines, depending on who's reading this) is going to get the reaction it deserves.
Originally Posted by gone postal
You do realize that the page you're linking to and quoting from also has links giving people information about anti gravity systems?The first paragraph you quoted is pseudo-scientific gobbledy gook to impress rubes, and the graph is absolutely useless as the only hard reference point on it is the amount of acetone used. (Which in itself is a bad representation of data Imperial gallons? Fluid ounces? Ounces? That's why the metric system is used in any serious scientific convo)
Discussion is welcome, but putting up garbage to try and convince someone to do something that might damage an engine (or engines, depending on who's reading this) is going to get the reaction it deserves.
I can't believe I can have great conversations with PhDs and physicists, with open minds and the realization that even there beloved education has the flaws of clouded/manipulated opinions and sometimes misinformation to keep certain areas of science gray yet "understood"... These same people say that when Someone resorts to throwing their credentials at questions rather then reasoning, then they have no answers, just a "perceived" shield to hide behind, that keeps them sheltered from the new information and great possibilities that science still reveals everyday...
As was said before, do your OWN research and try and experiment for yourself.... All results will always vary, no matter what.... There are no 2 things alike on this planet and perfection is unattainable, but sometimes you can still get really really close... Good luck to all.