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Old May 20, 2021 | 09:18 AM
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True. But a Frunk is not a selling feature for a pickup truck. Just saying................
It is for me, I carry a lot of expense gear and having it locked away out of sight is a big bonus.
Old May 20, 2021 | 09:18 AM
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68K starting price in Canada for the XLT
Old May 20, 2021 | 09:19 AM
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I love everything about it but the range. Standard 230 and extended is 300? That's a no from me. Maybe I could convince my wife to get one though

What's that 230 range going to be when towing 10,000 lbs with a really draggy trailer?
Old May 20, 2021 | 09:23 AM
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i think they'll sell a ton of em but their charging times are flat out terrible. My next F150 will be an ICE, maybe 3-5 years after that they'll have better range and charging times. It's interesting that even though all Tesla's patents are open Ford is still stuck with a max charge of 150kw, half of Tesla
Old May 20, 2021 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by N2Wind
My Insight and both Priuses had ugly rims too. The Prius you could take a cover off them but I lost a few MPG when I did.
This true, Tesla also have aireo covers for the wheels.

For all the tablet haters, I used to think the same way with the Mach-E, though when we first test drove it, it wasn't bad at all. I do prefer climate controls on buttons vs. the touch screen.

In all I think vehicles will be more revoluationary like phones have been over the past decade. We are out of the early adopter stage of EVs, also the price is coming down, performance is going up, and range/infrastructure is improving as well. It is nice that Hybrids and EVs are no longer expensive toy for ecofreaks. ICE is way to complex, especially with all the stuff they put on it to meet regulations. EVs are the future. We just need better infrastructure and range.
Old May 20, 2021 | 09:31 AM
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Yeah it's a bit nutty to say the Frunk isn't a selling point for a truck. It's a HUGE selling point for those that actually use the truck. Having somewhere to put stuff you don't want dirty/damaged while the bed is rocks or an ATV or whatever in it is a game changer. If anything it makes more sense in a truck to have a large, separate storage place. With 400lbs of payload for the Frunk it isn't a slouch either for most things you could fit in there.
Old May 20, 2021 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dalola
Until current battery technology evolves, range will always be a factor. All things considered, 230-300 seems like a respectable range that will fit many lifestyles. Certainly not the answer for long range heavy tow customers, or cross country trippers on a tight schedule.

But again, for many of us, that is a feasible, workable range. Will be curious to get the adjusted range with tow specs. As long as I can get >100 miles with a 6k trailer, I'm in!
For towing I just don't agree. 100 miles is extremely limiting. Most places I go are over 100 each way, and I think it's the same for most people. Long distance trips are absolutely out of the question with that range too.

I'm not complaining. EVs are absolutely the future, and the more people embrace them now the quicker they will improve. I'm just saying the technology has a long way to go before it will be feasible for the majority of towers.
Old May 20, 2021 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by solarity
This true, Tesla also have aireo covers for the wheels.

For all the tablet haters, I used to think the same way with the Mach-E, though when we first test drove it, it wasn't bad at all. I do prefer climate controls on buttons vs. the touch screen.

In all I think vehicles will be more revoluationary like phones have been over the past decade. We are out of the early adopter stage of EVs, also the price is coming down, performance is going up, and range/infrastructure is improving as well. It is nice that Hybrids and EVs are no longer expensive toy for ecofreaks. ICE is way to complex, especially with all the stuff they put on it to meet regulations. EVs are the future. We just need better infrastructure and range.
Yeah, they covered the complexity in the presentation when discussing use for fleet vehicles. 40% fewer moving parts. After spending years on this site having to listen, over and over, about how EB engines are "too complex" and just "more to go wrong", it cracks me up that Ford brings out something with 40% fewer moving parts, which account for most issues in vehicles aside from maybe sensors, and we still get to hear about how that won't be reliable either. Anything made by anyone has the potential for failure, but EVs as you said are far more mature now than even five years ago. Only thing we need to improve at this point really is range and speed of charging, but both of those items have been improving at break-neck speeds compared to the evolution of ICE engines. It took decades for an ICE vehicle to easily hit 300 miles of range, and yeah you still need to compare that against where ICE vehicles are now, but it's incredible the pace of evolution on EVs.
Old May 20, 2021 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dalola
The frunk is in the front, where the engine would normally reside. It's not under-bed storage like the Ridgeline.

I wonder how long it would take an EU2000 to charge it up? I would definitely throw mine in there if range gets dicey....

Large and multiple ways to charge

When it's time to top off that big ol' battery pack, the Lightning can be replenished in several ways. The truck comes standard with a mobile charger that can be plugged into either a 120-volt, 12-amp household outlet or a more serious 240-volt, 32-amp socket. Hooked to the former, the Lightning can absorb about 3 miles of range every hour; plugged into the latter, the truck nets about 21 miles every 60 minutes.

Neither of those options are particularly quick, but Ford is generous enough to include an 80-amp at-home charging station as standard equipment. This allows the truck to gain about 30 miles of range per hour, or go from a 15% state of charge to full in about eight hours, all while safely sheltered in your garage or carport.

But that's still not quick enough for some. The ultimate solution is tracking down a public 150-kW DC fast charger. Shackled to one of these bad boys, the extended-range Lightning can add 54 miles of range in just 10 minutes or go from a 15% state of charge to 80% in roughly 41 minutes.

Source: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...specs-pricing/
Old May 20, 2021 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by HamBandit
I love everything about it but the range. Standard 230 and extended is 300? That's a no from me. Maybe I could convince my wife to get one though

What's that 230 range going to be when towing 10,000 lbs with a really draggy trailer?
You don't tow 10,000 pounds with an F-150 anyway so your concern is moot.
If you have a fancy 10,000 pound trailer then you can afford $12,000 for the 300 mile option.



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