What does the HDPP include
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Google all you want. I suggest actually LOOKING at one. Or this one:
Here is one. Curb weight is 8300, max gross 10,000. I'll let you do the math.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ab-test-review
Here is one. Curb weight is 8300, max gross 10,000. I'll let you do the math.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ab-test-review
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The HDPP adds about 600lb payload, not the 300lb. example: my 18 Screw lariat HDPP 3.5 max tow: 2333lb payload. Buddy just took delivery of a 18 XLT 302A, 3.5 max tow. All options identical except lariat / XLT but mine is a HDPP. His payload is 1676lb.
And, while you keep telling yourself the 9.5 is rated for 4500lb, the stickers on all the trucks say 4000. Not sure why you think you axle is stronger than what Ford tells you it is on the door jam, but to each their own.
Id say the best thing the HDPP gives you is the additional 700lb gross vehicle weight, keeping you legal when others are not. Not much else to it...
And, while you keep telling yourself the 9.5 is rated for 4500lb, the stickers on all the trucks say 4000. Not sure why you think you axle is stronger than what Ford tells you it is on the door jam, but to each their own.
Id say the best thing the HDPP gives you is the additional 700lb gross vehicle weight, keeping you legal when others are not. Not much else to it...
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- I've posted a link to that information in this thread. I'm not going to keep posting the same thing over and over.
- You keep bringing up stickers, but I've said a few times in a few different ways that I'm not talking about stickers. See #1.
I think you're starting to get it.
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I think there is some confusion about this 4500 lb rating.
No truck has a sticker with an axle rating of 4500lbs. I think he is referring to the actual axle (tubes, pumpkin, etc) that is installed. It's mechanical weight bearing may be listed as 4500lbs when it is manufactured and supplied to Ford, which then uses it, along with the springs, shocks, lift block, etc to attach it to the truck frame, at which point Ford rates the amount of weight that can be supported by the two rear tires (GAWR) at 3800 or 4000lbs.
The stronger axle (with thicker tubes, etc), rated by the manufacturer at 4800lbs, is installed by Ford with heavier springs, shocks, etc and actually rated (on the sticker) at 4800lbs GAWR.
Axle is used in both cases, but one is referring to they physical mechanical part and the other Ford's GAWR on the sticker.
No truck has a sticker with an axle rating of 4500lbs. I think he is referring to the actual axle (tubes, pumpkin, etc) that is installed. It's mechanical weight bearing may be listed as 4500lbs when it is manufactured and supplied to Ford, which then uses it, along with the springs, shocks, lift block, etc to attach it to the truck frame, at which point Ford rates the amount of weight that can be supported by the two rear tires (GAWR) at 3800 or 4000lbs.
The stronger axle (with thicker tubes, etc), rated by the manufacturer at 4800lbs, is installed by Ford with heavier springs, shocks, etc and actually rated (on the sticker) at 4800lbs GAWR.
Axle is used in both cases, but one is referring to they physical mechanical part and the other Ford's GAWR on the sticker.
The HDPP adds about 600lb payload, not the 300lb. example: my 18 Screw lariat HDPP 3.5 max tow: 2333lb payload. Buddy just took delivery of a 18 XLT 302A, 3.5 max tow. All options identical except lariat / XLT but mine is a HDPP. His payload is 1676lb.
And, while you keep telling yourself the 9.5 is rated for 4500lb, the stickers on all the trucks say 4000. Not sure why you think you axle is stronger than what Ford tells you it is on the door jam, but to each their own.
Id say the best thing the HDPP gives you is the additional 700lb gross vehicle weight, keeping you legal when others are not. Not much else to it...
And, while you keep telling yourself the 9.5 is rated for 4500lb, the stickers on all the trucks say 4000. Not sure why you think you axle is stronger than what Ford tells you it is on the door jam, but to each their own.
Id say the best thing the HDPP gives you is the additional 700lb gross vehicle weight, keeping you legal when others are not. Not much else to it...
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Re: Door Payload and axle stickers.
Hann Ford in Collingwood Ontario on their website posts pictures of all the door stickers of every truck they sell. Both 150s and Superduties. Go to the website for hours of playtime and to settle most arguments about capacity.
Your Welcome!
PS They are one of only two dealers in all of Ontario that stock HDPPs, some must like them as they seem hard to keep in stock!
Hann Ford in Collingwood Ontario on their website posts pictures of all the door stickers of every truck they sell. Both 150s and Superduties. Go to the website for hours of playtime and to settle most arguments about capacity.
Your Welcome!
PS They are one of only two dealers in all of Ontario that stock HDPPs, some must like them as they seem hard to keep in stock!
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I think there is some confusion about this 4500 lb rating.
No truck has a sticker with an axle rating of 4500lbs. I think he is referring to the actual axle (tubes, pumpkin, etc) that is installed. It's mechanical weight bearing may be listed as 4500lbs when it is manufactured and supplied to Ford, which then uses it, along with the springs, shocks, lift block, etc to attach it to the truck frame, at which point Ford rates the amount of weight that can be supported by the two rear tires (GAWR) at 3800 or 4000lbs.
The stronger axle (with thicker tubes, etc), rated by the manufacturer at 4800lbs, is installed by Ford with heavier springs, shocks, etc and actually rated (on the sticker) at 4800lbs GAWR.
Axle is used in both cases, but one is referring to they physical mechanical part and the other Ford's GAWR on the sticker.
No truck has a sticker with an axle rating of 4500lbs. I think he is referring to the actual axle (tubes, pumpkin, etc) that is installed. It's mechanical weight bearing may be listed as 4500lbs when it is manufactured and supplied to Ford, which then uses it, along with the springs, shocks, lift block, etc to attach it to the truck frame, at which point Ford rates the amount of weight that can be supported by the two rear tires (GAWR) at 3800 or 4000lbs.
The stronger axle (with thicker tubes, etc), rated by the manufacturer at 4800lbs, is installed by Ford with heavier springs, shocks, etc and actually rated (on the sticker) at 4800lbs GAWR.
Axle is used in both cases, but one is referring to they physical mechanical part and the other Ford's GAWR on the sticker.
- Ford manufactures both axles.
- the "mechanical weight bearing" is what I posted here, and it's what the summary on F150Hub.com calls "maximum GAWR" for the axle, not for the truck.
- I don't know how a 4,500 lb max GAWR translates to a 4,000 lb GAWR for trucks with the 9.75 rear, but a 4,800 lb max GAWR translates directly to a 4,800 lb GAWR for trucks with the 9.75HD. Odd... but I haven't verified any of that, just going on what you guys are posting here.
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I looked at the F250 too when I was shopping for a new TV. My sweet spot is the SCREW Lariat 4x4 since I have kids and dogs, and I wanted more comfort than the XLT (which was my last config). In 2018 you could get the HDPP in a Lariat - I hear you can't for 2019.
I special ordered the HDPP over the F250 6.7 for a number of reasons - smaller, more fuel efficient, price was a wash, HDPP had a higher payload sticker, and I really like the Gen 2 3.5 EB with the 10 speed. As optioned I ended up at 2406 payload with the 4800 RAWR - perfect for the load I tow. I've loaded it up to less than 200 left on RAWR, towing a 27' TH @ 8500 lb with DW, kids, and dogs, and it is smooth and stable with plenty of power. I do think the F250 would offer more headroom on capacity, but I don't tow 20,000 miles a year, so the HDPP was perfect for my needs. I've got 22,000 miles on it now and it's been a pleasure to own. There isn't another 1/2 ton that can do what it does.
Mike
I special ordered the HDPP over the F250 6.7 for a number of reasons - smaller, more fuel efficient, price was a wash, HDPP had a higher payload sticker, and I really like the Gen 2 3.5 EB with the 10 speed. As optioned I ended up at 2406 payload with the 4800 RAWR - perfect for the load I tow. I've loaded it up to less than 200 left on RAWR, towing a 27' TH @ 8500 lb with DW, kids, and dogs, and it is smooth and stable with plenty of power. I do think the F250 would offer more headroom on capacity, but I don't tow 20,000 miles a year, so the HDPP was perfect for my needs. I've got 22,000 miles on it now and it's been a pleasure to own. There isn't another 1/2 ton that can do what it does.
Mike
I do like the HDPP and the turbo gasser for an application like yours.
And yeah i looked and the HDPP is not available on the Lariat for 2019.
Supposedly the upside to 2019 is the CC 6.5’ bed max tow package trucks get the same HDPP frame. So basically you can get a king ranch/platinum HDPP without the springs, wheels, or beefed up 9.75 axle.
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I said earlier I didn't have anything else to say. I still don't, but I guess I can say the same thing differently. Here's what the Ford Body Builder Advisory Service has to say about GAWR:
...like I've been saying.
So if it's the rated capacity of only those four components that is used to figure out GAWR, then it stands to reason that an HDPP-equipped truck has a rear axle rated for 4,800 lbs and a rear GAWR of 4,800 lbs, if the ratings of the other three components (springs, wheels, tires) each--on their own--exceed 4,800 lbs. Last I checked, the HDPP 18x7.5" wheels were rated for 2,275 lbs each, so I don't see how that can be the case. Maybe these elusive 4,800-lb rear GAWR trucks have different wheels.
My wheels are rated for 2,500 lbs each. My tires are rated for 3,535 lbs each at 65 psi. My AALs add 2,000 lbs of capacity to the pair of leaf spring packs (which have a minimum 3,500 lb rating from Ford, or 3,850, 4,220, or 4,800, depending on configuration). So, again, if the GAWR is determined by the lowest-rated component of those four, then my effective rear GAWR is 4,500 lbs... the weight rating of my axle. If I'm interpreting this incorrectly, let me know.
For the cheap seats: I'm not arguing over stickers. I'm very pleased that you're proud of yours. I'm never going to exceed the capacity of my truck because of what ought to be common sense, not because of what it says on my door jamb.
Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR) is determined by the rated capacity of the minimum component of the axle system (axle, computer-selected springs, wheels, tires) of a specific vehicle.
So if it's the rated capacity of only those four components that is used to figure out GAWR, then it stands to reason that an HDPP-equipped truck has a rear axle rated for 4,800 lbs and a rear GAWR of 4,800 lbs, if the ratings of the other three components (springs, wheels, tires) each--on their own--exceed 4,800 lbs. Last I checked, the HDPP 18x7.5" wheels were rated for 2,275 lbs each, so I don't see how that can be the case. Maybe these elusive 4,800-lb rear GAWR trucks have different wheels.
My wheels are rated for 2,500 lbs each. My tires are rated for 3,535 lbs each at 65 psi. My AALs add 2,000 lbs of capacity to the pair of leaf spring packs (which have a minimum 3,500 lb rating from Ford, or 3,850, 4,220, or 4,800, depending on configuration). So, again, if the GAWR is determined by the lowest-rated component of those four, then my effective rear GAWR is 4,500 lbs... the weight rating of my axle. If I'm interpreting this incorrectly, let me know.
For the cheap seats: I'm not arguing over stickers. I'm very pleased that you're proud of yours. I'm never going to exceed the capacity of my truck because of what ought to be common sense, not because of what it says on my door jamb.