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Re: Door Payload and axle stickers.
Hann Ford in Collingwood Ontario on their website posts pictures of all the door stickers of every truck they sell. Both 150s and Superduties. Go to the website for hours of playtime and to settle most arguments about capacity.
Your Welcome!
PS They are one of only two dealers in all of Ontario that stock HDPPs, some must like them as they seem hard to keep in stock!
I bet the 4000lb limit on the 9.75 is because of the leafs, not the axle. Even though the axle is rated to 4500 I bet it’s the leafs lowering it to 4000.
I’m surprised by such a small difference between the 4800 and 4500 axles. You’d think with such a small difference it would be cheaper for Ford manufactor just one axle version.
I have not seen the other frame measurements published from Ford. I'm attaching the Ford document with the frame thickness. That's all the information I have.... I think the point is that if Ford made the frame stronger at one point, Ford also would make it stronger anywhere else that counts. These frames are engineered front to back to meet design specs, so I think the differences shown below (even though they are taken at the max cross section) are a good indicator of the overall differences in frame strength.
Ooooohhhhhh i've never seen this from ford before... *scurries away to calculate RMBs*
Are you sure equal trucks had lower payload than the HDPP Lariat? Not arguing but that would be one maxed out truck.
I do like the HDPP and the turbo gasser for an application like yours.
And yeah i looked and the HDPP is not available on the Lariat for 2019.
Supposedly the upside to 2019 is the CC 6.5’ bed max tow package trucks get the same HDPP frame. So basically you can get a king ranch/platinum HDPP without the springs, wheels, or beefed up 9.75 axle.
They were both SCREW Lariats with similar options. The 250 had the 6.7. I didn't look at many since after driving it I felt the 250 was way too big for a daily driver. And I wanted a payload on the sticker of over 2400 lbs. The 250 was around 2200.
The weight of the PSD 6.7 in a 250 chassis is what lowers the payload to such an extent. I don't understand how Ford sells the 250 with the diesel. Uninformed buyers, I would guess.
My wheels are rated for 2,500 lbs each. My tires are rated for 3,535 lbs each at 65 psi. My AALs add 2,000 lbs of capacity to the pair of leaf spring packs (which have a minimum 3,500 lb rating from Ford, or 3,850, 4,220, or 4,800, depending on configuration). So, again, if the GAWR is determined by the lowest-rated component of those four, then my effective rear GAWR is 4,500 lbs... the weight rating of my axle. If I'm interpreting this incorrectly, let me know.
For the cheap seats: I'm not arguing over stickers. I'm very pleased that you're proud of yours. I'm never going to exceed the capacity of my truck because of what ought to be common sense, not because of what it says on my door jamb.
Effectively, yes you have interpreted correctly and you have effectively increased the capabilities of the truck.
When people mention 'what the truck is stickered for' is generally because most states in a lawsuit situation will go by what is stickered not by what you have done to your truck. So for the majority of the people on this site / people googling looking for general information, saying you can 'exceed the sticker' because you have done enough research and mods to make your truck more capable does them a disservice.
I do agree that the modifications you have done are great (if I had the time and money I would do similar) and to me seems like you are not being negligent (which would offend me).
When people mention 'what the truck is stickered for' is generally because most states in a lawsuit situation will go by what is stickered not by what you have done to your truck. So for the majority of the people on this site / people googling looking for general information, saying you can 'exceed the sticker' because you have done enough research and mods to make your truck more capable does them a disservice.
Please do me the service of showing me where I said I can exceed the stickered payload! I've gone so far as to say I'm not going to exceed the capacity of my truck. Sure, I've argued "effective capacity," but ultimately, I'm going to be sure to operate the truck well within its limits.
Originally Posted by Ryan_2020
I do agree that the modifications you have done are great (if I had the time and money I would do similar) and to me seems like you are not being negligent (which would offend me).
No, willful negligence is something I steer clear of. My intent is to introduce the possibility that "time and money" are better spent on aftermarket improvements than on an HDPP package, maybe by as much as a factor of 10. If I load my truck to 2,700 lbs--which I can't imagine I'll ever do, despite the fact that I have around 500 lbs sitting in my bed permanently--I won't be exceeding the truck's physical capacity, but I will be exceeding its rated capacity. And if I get absolutely slammed with a violation due to having an overweight vehicle (doubtful), I'll still have thousands of dollars in my pocket that didn't go to an HDPP package that would have forced me to get a truck in a configuration I don't want.
Said another way, again: The HDPP wasn't made for people that want a high-payload half-ton truck; it was made so that Ford can say they sell the highest-payload half-ton truck ever made.
Last edited by DeltaNu1142; Oct 25, 2018 at 01:30 PM.
Please do me the service of showing me where I said I can exceed the stickered payload! I've gone so far as to say I'm not going to exceed the capacity of my truck. Sure, I've argued "effective capacity," but ultimately, I'm going to be sure to operate the truck well within its limits.
No, willful negligence is something I steer clear of. My intent is to introduce the possibility that "time and money" are better spent on aftermarket improvements than on an HDPP package, maybe by as much as a factor of 10. If I load my truck to 2,700 lbs--which I can't imagine I'll ever do, despite the fact that I have around 500 lbs sitting in my bed permanently--I won't be exceeding the truck's physical capacity, but I will be exceeding its rated capacity. And if I get absolutely slammed with a violation due to having an overweight vehicle (doubtful), I'll still have thousands of dollars in my pocket that didn't go to an HDPP package that would have forced me to get a truck in a configuration I don't want. So I would posit that in my case, it was made for someone who wanted a high payload truck.
Said another way, again: The HDPP wasn't made for people that want a high-payload half-ton truck; it was made so that Ford can say they sell the highest-payload half-ton truck ever made.
I don’t care why it was made, I will say it fills the bill for me. I want a gasser, non trucky ride 98% of the time ( commute is 130 miles) and the ability to haul a fifth wheel 2% of the time, safely. So I get 21 mpg on my drive to work, and eat my cake too. So I would posit that in my case, it was made for someone who wanted a high payload truck
Agreed. You may think we “wasted” our money on a HDPP but I required a 1/2 ton with at least 2000lb payload. And, I required to be legal. So, not money wasted at all, because my HDPP has higher payload than my buddy’s 250.
Payload is payload. I love my 500A package... bummer than for 19 you can only get a 301A. That’s a game changer for a guy like me who wanted leather, fancy climate control, 4A but none of the fancy driving aids that will break in the future.
