What does the HDPP include
06-27-2018, 08:11 AM
#21
Great points. I think the take away here is that the non-LT equivalent tire is 43 pounds. The LT C-load range tire is 50 pounds. The LT E-load range tire is 52 pounds. I would guess that the actual construction of the LT C-load range tires is more similar to the LT E-load range tire than the non-LT based on weight alone.
I've been very impressed with these tires so far. I just got back form Lake Placid NY and traveled both snowy and icy roads on the way home. The tires are decent in snow and ice. Much more than I expected from an OEM tire. I also have not noticed any movement from the tires when towing or hauling so far. They are also quiet given how much tread they have. Unless I have problems with them, I don't se the reason to go up to the "E" rated tires which seem to require more PSI per pound carried (not sure why that would be the case)
I've been very impressed with these tires so far. I just got back form Lake Placid NY and traveled both snowy and icy roads on the way home. The tires are decent in snow and ice. Much more than I expected from an OEM tire. I also have not noticed any movement from the tires when towing or hauling so far. They are also quiet given how much tread they have. Unless I have problems with them, I don't se the reason to go up to the "E" rated tires which seem to require more PSI per pound carried (not sure why that would be the case)
The other good thing about the HDPP is that all 5 wheels and tires match. The only difference in the spare aluminum wheel is the lack of a TPMS sensor. I had one installed so that I can do 5 tire rotations.
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F175 (10-23-2018)
06-27-2018, 12:17 PM
#22
My truck is a 2017 SCab, 8' bed, 2wd, with HDPP. I have the 18" aluminum wheels with the load range C Goodyear Kevlar tires. My experience in the snow last winter was awful. I know my truck is 2wd, but I didn't expect it to be as terrible as it was. My old 2006 F150 was also 2wd with Michelin LTX M/S2 tires(P-rated), and they were great in the snow. The old truck had a fiberglass camper shell, so maybe the weight made the different. I'll put some weight in the bed if we get snow here next winter.
The other good thing about the HDPP is that all 5 wheels and tires match. The only difference in the spare aluminum wheel is the lack of a TPMS sensor. I had one installed so that I can do 5 tire rotations.
The other good thing about the HDPP is that all 5 wheels and tires match. The only difference in the spare aluminum wheel is the lack of a TPMS sensor. I had one installed so that I can do 5 tire rotations.
If you put 1000 pounds in the back and get some dedicated snows on the back your Fords winter performance will improve will improve.
06-28-2018, 05:17 PM
#23
The chart is out of date or wrong - The 2018 Max Tow 4x4 145" has HPP frame now.
06-28-2018, 10:23 PM
#24
Where is the sticker located on the frame
PS the HDPP is a Unicorn. Iwould have like to ordered the HDPP, but it precludes so many other options, option packages, discounts and incentives the truck would have been $10K tranaction cost more where the MSRP differed less than $5K betwen the SCab we ended up with compared to HDPP SCrew. Ended up installing Air Lift Ultimate Plus, so GVV is illegal, but truck will be level the few times it will get overloaded. Air spring with 3 to 5 Psi of air in them barely affect the ride.
06-29-2018, 08:45 AM
#25
Where is the sticker located on the frame?
PS the HDPP is a Unicorn. Iwould have like to ordered the HDPP, but it precludes so many other options, option packages, discounts and incentives the truck would have been $10K tranaction cost more where the MSRP differed less than $5K betwen the SCab we ended up with compared to HDPP SCrew. Ended up installing Air Lift Ultimate Plus, so GVV is illegal, but truck will be level the few times it will get overloaded. Air spring with 3 to 5 Psi of air in them barely affect the ride.
PS the HDPP is a Unicorn. Iwould have like to ordered the HDPP, but it precludes so many other options, option packages, discounts and incentives the truck would have been $10K tranaction cost more where the MSRP differed less than $5K betwen the SCab we ended up with compared to HDPP SCrew. Ended up installing Air Lift Ultimate Plus, so GVV is illegal, but truck will be level the few times it will get overloaded. Air spring with 3 to 5 Psi of air in them barely affect the ride.
Another strange thing is our 500a Lariat has many options not on the US version, so my HDPP/MTTP will have remote start and tailgate, back up sensors, bucket seat/power outlet and some other features I have forgotten, on it The only option which I really wanted,strangely not available as a stand alone option (remember this is in Canada) was a heated steering wheel! . We do pay more however!
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06-29-2018, 10:33 AM
#26
Yes the chart I posted is from 2015 and out of date. Seems Ford doesn't really follow it much either...
On the outside of the frame under the driver's side door. Mine was a little harder to see because of the side steps getting in the way.
Canadian and American builds are very different. You can't get my truck in the US because you can't have any extra options at all if you get the payload package. 300A only, no sport, no moonroof, no tailgate step, no side steps, nothing at all. If you want the payload package with the 2.7, you get a base model. In Canada you can still build the same truck as mine with the options in my signature and payload package. No idea why the difference exists...
On the outside of the frame under the driver's side door. Mine was a little harder to see because of the side steps getting in the way.
Things were much different for me (Canadian Build) . I had ordered a 500a Lariat with Max Tow and LT tires, after much (too much) debating I changed my order to add the HDPP. Total cost of the change, 500 dollars. Which made adding the HDPP a "no brainer"! Things seem to work much different up here especially with the small rural dealerships. Basically the dealers take the Invoice price of the truck add their markup and then subtract any Ford discounts, so any option I choose to add was available at invoice price. There was no extra discounts for different models or packages or trucks on the lot.
Another strange thing is our 500a Lariat has many options not on the US version, so my HDPP/MTTP will have remote start and tailgate, back up sensors, bucket seat/power outlet and some other features I have forgotten, on it The only option which I really wanted,strangely not available as a stand alone option (remember this is in Canada) was a heated steering wheel! . We do pay more however!
Another strange thing is our 500a Lariat has many options not on the US version, so my HDPP/MTTP will have remote start and tailgate, back up sensors, bucket seat/power outlet and some other features I have forgotten, on it The only option which I really wanted,strangely not available as a stand alone option (remember this is in Canada) was a heated steering wheel! . We do pay more however!
07-01-2018, 06:34 PM
#27
Oh Canade
Yes the chart I posted is from 2015 and out of date. Seems Ford doesn't really follow it much either...
On the outside of the frame under the driver's side door. Mine was a little harder to see because of the side steps getting in the way.
Canadian and American builds are very different. You can't get my truck in the US because you can't have any extra options at all if you get the payload package. 300A only, no sport, no moonroof, no tailgate step, no side steps, nothing at all. If you want the payload package with the 2.7, you get a base model. In Canada you can still build the same truck as mine with the options in my signature and payload package. No idea why the difference exists...
On the outside of the frame under the driver's side door. Mine was a little harder to see because of the side steps getting in the way.
Canadian and American builds are very different. You can't get my truck in the US because you can't have any extra options at all if you get the payload package. 300A only, no sport, no moonroof, no tailgate step, no side steps, nothing at all. If you want the payload package with the 2.7, you get a base model. In Canada you can still build the same truck as mine with the options in my signature and payload package. No idea why the difference exists...
I really wanted to special the Lariat HDPP.SCrew
The basic Lariat Screw HDPP would have had a MSRP just $5,000 more than the truck we ended up with.
The actual price would have been more than $10,000 more due to loss of most of the Package discounts and incentives.
So this is what we got. a XLT SCab
At least it has the 145" "HD" .0100" frame,, so it is the mid section modulus frame, not the 0.087"Light duty., not the HDPP 0.110" frame
All these frames are essentially just heavy sheet metal!
In any case did you notice that the expensive FX4 package with HDPP is just some decals and skid pans and the 53A tow package on high trim F-150 is kind of a rip-off?
2018, Trim= XLT/FX4, Drive= 4x4, Cab= SCREW, Bed= 6.5', Engine=5.0, Axle=3.73, GVWR=7050#, Payload=1648#.Tow= 11,300#, options=302A, Navigation, Eect Pkg,
Trailer Tow pkg(53A), 39 gallon tank, Tow Mirrors, Tailgate & Box Steps, bed extender,
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DieselSupercrew (05-15-2020)
10-23-2018, 01:13 AM
#28
So if I’m understanding this correctly the only differences on a 157 wheelbase HDPP/max tow vs 157 wheelbase max tow would the gear ratio, rims and tires!??
I planned on a HDPP with changing rims and tires immediately but come to find out there’s one lariat left in the country new.
However if this is true this drastically changes how I can find a truck.
i don’t see how a 3.55 to 3.73 ratio is going to alter payload? It’s 9.75” diff regardless from my research.
10-23-2018, 02:01 AM
#29
The lower gears will move a heavier load easier. Simple science. The HDPP truck should have the thicker frame also.
10-23-2018, 07:06 AM
#30
Flaccid Member
Frame: HDPP gets the 0.11" frame stock compared to 0.10" for heavier non-HDPP trucks and 0.087" for lighter F150's (most of the 2.7EB trucks)
Front coil: stiffer than any non-HDPP truck but the same front axle rating (3800 pounds) due to some other limitation
Rear leaves: 3+1 spring pack rated at 4800 pounds instead of the 2+1 for all other weigh ratings (4050 [2018 MaxTow], 3800 [most 3.5EB/5.0 trucks], 3300 [most 2.7 trucks])
Rear axle: 9.75HD axle (9.75B on axle sticker) rated at 4800 pounds and with the electronic locking 3.73 gears. The 9.75 on most 3.5EB (including Max tow) is a lighter duty variant and the 8.8 on many non 3.5EB trucks is lighter yet.
Shocks: Heavier duty shocks than any non-HDPP F150
Wheels: Slightly heavier than non-HDPP wheels (rated at 2275 pounds)
Tires: Slightly heavier LT tires that have actual tread and are quite good in snow - unlike most the other OEM options.
Front coil: stiffer than any non-HDPP truck but the same front axle rating (3800 pounds) due to some other limitation
Rear leaves: 3+1 spring pack rated at 4800 pounds instead of the 2+1 for all other weigh ratings (4050 [2018 MaxTow], 3800 [most 3.5EB/5.0 trucks], 3300 [most 2.7 trucks])
Rear axle: 9.75HD axle (9.75B on axle sticker) rated at 4800 pounds and with the electronic locking 3.73 gears. The 9.75 on most 3.5EB (including Max tow) is a lighter duty variant and the 8.8 on many non 3.5EB trucks is lighter yet.
Shocks: Heavier duty shocks than any non-HDPP F150
Wheels: Slightly heavier than non-HDPP wheels (rated at 2275 pounds)
Tires: Slightly heavier LT tires that have actual tread and are quite good in snow - unlike most the other OEM options.
The 9.75 inch Ford rear differential was introduced as a higher capacity alternative to the Ford 8.8 inch. A maximum gross axle weight rating of 4,500 lbs makes it relatively robust for a semi floating axle. The 9.75" differential has been historically reserved for Ford F-150s with a relatively high GVWR package or vehicles powered by the 5.4L Modular V-8. While it is often hailed as a light duty version of the Ford F-250/F350s Sterling 10.50" differential, the Sterling is a heavy duty, full floating axle. Limited slip and electronic locking versions of the differential have been manufactured. A 9.75HD rear axle has been offered in the Ford F-150 for select high capacity configurations; it carries a maximum 4,800 lbs GAWR.
For my part, I've added HDPP front coils to account for the aftermarket front bumper, and in case I want to add a winch; Autospring AALs (+2k rated capacity), Bilstein 5100s all around, a Hellwig RSB, LT tires, and aftermarket wheels load rated to 2,500 lbs (versus 2,275 for the HDPP 18x7.5 wheels). The only thing remaining that falls below HDPP ratings is the 0.10" frame, and obviously I'm not changing that. My point is, most of what makes a HDPP truck can be bolted on.
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