Need more stopping powah
08-26-2018, 10:19 PM
#81
Senior Member
For stability reasons they design the brake system for the rears to get pressure first so you really need something like ice to test it out. Also in 4wd it locks the axles together and makes it very difficult to lock up a tire as the others are trying to force them to turn.
08-26-2018, 11:47 PM
#82
DISCOUNT JEDI MASTER
Does anyone know what material Ford F150 OEM pads use? Ceramic or Semi-Metallic?
If they're Ceramics, then it's probably the reason for lack of stopping grip - especially when heated up. I'm thinking they may be because the Ceramic pads will not dust as much and I don't see mine dusting much at all. They'll also eat your rotors more. If one can confirm they're Ceramic, then you simply need to to switch to a quality grade Semi-Metallic which will give you better grab but the sacrifice is dusting. I know that I always hated dealing with dusty wheels not long after detailing. When Ceramics first came out, I switched over to them and was so pleased to go longer without that noticeable dust. However, that's when I noticed diminished stopping ability. It basically taught me that I now needed to stomp on my brakes 2 feet before the stop sign instead of when my tires touched the white line.
If they're Ceramics, then it's probably the reason for lack of stopping grip - especially when heated up. I'm thinking they may be because the Ceramic pads will not dust as much and I don't see mine dusting much at all. They'll also eat your rotors more. If one can confirm they're Ceramic, then you simply need to to switch to a quality grade Semi-Metallic which will give you better grab but the sacrifice is dusting. I know that I always hated dealing with dusty wheels not long after detailing. When Ceramics first came out, I switched over to them and was so pleased to go longer without that noticeable dust. However, that's when I noticed diminished stopping ability. It basically taught me that I now needed to stomp on my brakes 2 feet before the stop sign instead of when my tires touched the white line.
08-27-2018, 12:27 AM
#84
DISCOUNT JEDI MASTER
These are listed as 'Metallic' pads. You're likely to expect more dusting from them. Here's a description from Rock Auto for them.
Truck & Tow Severe Duty; Includes hardware & brake lube
If you drive in the hills, haul loads or tow trailers, you need the extra stopping power of Z36 Extreme Truck & Tow pads. Power Stop Z36 metallic pads are made for trucks and SUVs with higher gross vehicle weights. The extreme pad bite offers superior performance to avoid high temperature brake fade. Z36 pads feature a coefficient of friction 17% higher than OE pads.
Truck & Tow Severe Duty; Includes hardware & brake lube
If you drive in the hills, haul loads or tow trailers, you need the extra stopping power of Z36 Extreme Truck & Tow pads. Power Stop Z36 metallic pads are made for trucks and SUVs with higher gross vehicle weights. The extreme pad bite offers superior performance to avoid high temperature brake fade. Z36 pads feature a coefficient of friction 17% higher than OE pads.
- Specially engineered for more brake torque on trucks and SUVs
- Long pad life for severe duty and commercial applications
- Thermally stable compound to provide stopping power when you need it most - especially when towing and driving down hills
08-27-2018, 10:43 AM
#86
Turn that smile upside down. When you skid and crash your truck, make a frown.
With good pads/rotors, it is possible to have them engage quick enough at all four corners to defeat ABS, slam the pedal fast enough and they will, but the average panic stop will engage ABS, as I have had that happen as well. The difference between stock brakes and EBC, Powerstop and a few others is like night and day, much quicker engagement, less pedal effort, and better overall control. Part of it is the slots and dimples/cross drilling to dissipate heat and gasses, part of it is pad compound and part of it is rotor material. You get what you pay for.
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08-27-2018, 11:46 AM
#87
Been there, done that. Locked them all up on ice. Thankfully no ABS or the impact would have been harder, or gone off in a direction that would have made it worse.
With good pads/rotors, it is possible to have them engage quick enough at all four corners to defeat ABS, slam the pedal fast enough and they will, but the average panic stop will engage ABS, as I have had that happen as well. The difference between stock brakes and EBC, Powerstop and a few others is like night and day, much quicker engagement, less pedal effort, and better overall control. Part of it is the slots and dimples/cross drilling to dissipate heat and gasses, part of it is pad compound and part of it is rotor material. You get what you pay for.
With good pads/rotors, it is possible to have them engage quick enough at all four corners to defeat ABS, slam the pedal fast enough and they will, but the average panic stop will engage ABS, as I have had that happen as well. The difference between stock brakes and EBC, Powerstop and a few others is like night and day, much quicker engagement, less pedal effort, and better overall control. Part of it is the slots and dimples/cross drilling to dissipate heat and gasses, part of it is pad compound and part of it is rotor material. You get what you pay for.
08-27-2018, 12:36 PM
#88
I've had the ABS kick in from stomping the brakes which means the tires gave out before the brakes. Shouldn't be a brake issue. Unless you have super sticky tires that aren't locking up, sound like you need to hit the gym for some squats and leg presses lol
My BMW 3-series was a completely different thing as well and had no problems doing an emergency brake from 210 km/h (~130 MPH) to 50 in less than 2 seconds. But I also don't drive my truck like a sports car and don't expect it to behave the same...
My BMW 3-series was a completely different thing as well and had no problems doing an emergency brake from 210 km/h (~130 MPH) to 50 in less than 2 seconds. But I also don't drive my truck like a sports car and don't expect it to behave the same...
08-27-2018, 12:57 PM
#89
Senior Member
For me personally, I've noticed high rotor temps while towing down mountain passes and also while offroading.
While reduced braking distances would be a nice bonus, I am looking more for reduced heat and minimizing possible fade issues when my F150 is going beyond its daily driver duties.
It looks like I will likely go with the EBC GD7462 dimpled & slotted rotors along with the Motorcraft Super Duty brake pads.
While reduced braking distances would be a nice bonus, I am looking more for reduced heat and minimizing possible fade issues when my F150 is going beyond its daily driver duties.
It looks like I will likely go with the EBC GD7462 dimpled & slotted rotors along with the Motorcraft Super Duty brake pads.
From 60mph we can bring our trucks to a complete stop in less than 130ft, which is respectable for a truck. Changing brake pads alone will make very little if any difference.
https://youtu.be/QSVb1MWPjb4
https://youtu.be/QSVb1MWPjb4
08-27-2018, 04:20 PM
#90
For me personally, I've noticed high rotor temps while towing down mountain passes and also while offroading.
While reduced braking distances would be a nice bonus, I am looking more for reduced heat and minimizing possible fade issues when my F150 is going beyond its daily driver duties.
It looks like I will likely go with the EBC GD7462 dimpled & slotted rotors along with the Motorcraft Super Duty brake pads.
While reduced braking distances would be a nice bonus, I am looking more for reduced heat and minimizing possible fade issues when my F150 is going beyond its daily driver duties.
It looks like I will likely go with the EBC GD7462 dimpled & slotted rotors along with the Motorcraft Super Duty brake pads.
Update, they only make them for the front, and not for the rear with electric parking brakes, that and the price is $250 for the set.
Last edited by acdii; 08-27-2018 at 04:28 PM.