Its good to know they pull essentially the same loads.

No one mentioned 10,000 lbs.

The question is does a higher payload, more weigh on the truck axles, increase the stability and control of TV or does a TV that weighs more really make that big of a difference? Does the increased payload make the F-150 a more stable tow vehicle than before? Thanks for the replies.

 

You forgot the wheels, bigger rear axle and stronger frame (from .110 to .150 rail thickness). The frame upgrade is true for all but the screw 157" WB. Source: 2012 F-150 Source Book

 

My 2010 with all the options was 6300 lbs with a full tank of gas and driver. Believe the UVW was around 5600 lbs. The F-250 i believe sits around 6700lbs unloaded. Depends on the options as far as the weight with a full tank of gas and driver. But the UVW is between 1100-1200 lbs difference between the 150 and 250. Of course that 1200lbs will be more stable.

My question would be, if they extra 500lbs on the TV and thats 500 lbs off the trailer, make up the difference with the 8500 GVWR trailer. It would change the weight distribution of a 2010 F150 and 2012 F150 by 1000lbs. Hope I wrote that clearly. Seems clear in my head. haha Thanks for the response and good question.

 

Great info. I knew there was more. Great addition to thread.

Edit: Wait the frame thickness is for all the F150s but the 157" wheelbase Heavy Duty Payload Package? Seems odd. But thanks again for the info.

 

Many F-150's will run out of payload quickly with a 8,400lbs trailer, especially 4x4 screws. A typical 8,400 lbs TT will have a tongue weight of > 1,000lbs, maybe up 1,250 lbs. Add 3-4 people (500-600lbs?), camping gear like firewood, bikes, coolers, generator (300-400 lbs), and you need 1,000 + 600 + 400 = 2,000 lbs of payload, possibly more.
I have seen payload ratings as low as 1,200 lbs for loaded F-150's, so a blank statement of "8,400 lbs of trailer is fine" could be very wrong.

 

Read the thread. Ford for 2012 Ford has made a F150 SCrew with the Heavy Payload Package with near 2,310 lbs of payload. So you would have the needed 2,000 lbs of payload. I know its possible. I ordered a 2011, have a good dealer, with a max payload of 1890 and it came in with 1806 lbs of payload available. So I used 84 lbs in options and it was a Lariat with quite a few options. Now the max payload is 2310 lbs which would give you a payload of 2226 lbs. Roughly of course. I'm sure some options have changed.

The question is would a heavier loaded TV, which means a lighter trailer being towed, make up a lot of the difference between the 1200 lb heavier frame of the F250. The extra 450-500 lb payload lowers the trailer weight by 900-1000lbs. Look at my math in a previous post.

For the "8400 GVWR Trailer will be fine" statement, thats all we are discussing. Not if the F150 can tow a 10,000 lb trailer or tow it better than an F250, just that with a 8500 GVWR trailer will it tow better because of the extra payload. Thanks for posting.

 

I had to let some of this soak in for a while -
It seems to me that there has to be some kind of breakover point, where the frame flex, shocks, suspension bushings, etc allow bucking or seesawing or some other problem arises.
If you are riding on the overloads and bumps on the road cause the axle to hit the stops jarring your head then that would be a problem that arose.

I think the only real way to know for yourself is to load up and drive and see how it feels.

BTW, I would rather tow 17,000 lbs with an F350 than 10,000 lbs with an F150.

 

The screw 157" wheelbase already comes with that 0.150 rail thickness even without HD payload, so for that configuration the HD payload package does not really upgrade the frame. For the others it does.
Basically: A reg cab or scab HD payload F-150 will have a stronger frame than a reg cab or scab none HD payload. A screw HD payload will have the same frame as a none HD payload screw.

 

I know. Most don't have the HD payload package though. What I am saying that a blanket statement of 8,400 lbs of trailer are fine could be wrong.
Sure, there are even a few F-150's with a 3,000 lbs payload, but that's not all of them. There are some with only 1,200 - 1,300 lbs of payload.
BTW, I have a 2012 HD payload / max tow screw 4x4 on order, and I expect it to arrive with 2,100 - 2,200 lbs of payload available.

That's all I am saying ....

 

I'm sure there is a break over point. But I'm sure ford has underestimated the ratings or they would have a lot of warranty work to do.

I agree first hand knowledge is best. Was hoping to hear from some one who has an F150 with the Heavy Duty Payload Package that can attest to it being a better tow vehicle than a Screw with less payload.

Agree on the F350 vs an F150 with those weights. I wouldn't tow more than a 8500 GVWR trailer with an F150.