Which Coilover, Fox DSC or Fabtech Dirt Logic???
Need your opinion, I have been going back n fourth on if i should run Fox DSC 2.5 or Fabtech dirt logic 2.5 with reservoir. I am going to run the coilovers with a 6" BDS lift kit on my 2018 XLT 2wd. I was pretty set on the Fox DSC 2.5 coilover with reservoir however the price is almost 2k and not sure it is worth it in my case. I will probably never go off road and 99% of my driving is on city pavement streets. I will say that here in southern CA the streets can get bumpy w/pot holes and I do like the fox for the adjust-ability of the reservoirs, as the Dirt logics don't have compression adjusters you can adjust on the fly.
The other part which makes this a hard choice is I can get the Dirt logics for less than half of the price of the fox.
Although I really want the DCS I don't know if I can pass up such a great deal on the dirt logics. Please feel free to chime in with any advice or opinions or questions. If you have experience with either please share as I really value the experience of this forum members. Thanks in advance ....
Wil.
The other part which makes this a hard choice is I can get the Dirt logics for less than half of the price of the fox.
Although I really want the DCS I don't know if I can pass up such a great deal on the dirt logics. Please feel free to chime in with any advice or opinions or questions. If you have experience with either please share as I really value the experience of this forum members. Thanks in advance ....
Wil.
Last edited by actfitwil; Apr 29, 2019 at 10:17 PM.
If you're never gonna go off-road, or even just light to moderate off-roading, you don't need adjustable damping.
I would argue you don't even need reservoirs, since you won't be getting 'em hot enough to need 'em
As far as Fabtech or Fox, I'd choose Fox without giving it a second thought.
I've had Fox valving apart numerous times, and you can see straight away that they spend the time on things like chamfering and deburring , plus it's easy to get their **** revalved and/or serviced.
I would argue you don't even need reservoirs, since you won't be getting 'em hot enough to need 'em
As far as Fabtech or Fox, I'd choose Fox without giving it a second thought.
I've had Fox valving apart numerous times, and you can see straight away that they spend the time on things like chamfering and deburring , plus it's easy to get their **** revalved and/or serviced.
Last edited by yokev; Apr 29, 2019 at 11:15 PM.
If you're never gonna go off-road, or even just light to moderate off-roading, you don't need adjustable damping.
I would argue you don't even need reservoirs, since you won't be getting 'em hot enough to need 'em
As far as Fabtech or Fox, I'd choose Fox without giving it a second thought.
I've had Fox valving apart numerous times, and you can see straight away that they spend the time on things like chamfering and deburring , plus it's easy to get their **** revalved and/or serviced.
I would argue you don't even need reservoirs, since you won't be getting 'em hot enough to need 'em
As far as Fabtech or Fox, I'd choose Fox without giving it a second thought.
I've had Fox valving apart numerous times, and you can see straight away that they spend the time on things like chamfering and deburring , plus it's easy to get their **** revalved and/or serviced.
My last truck was a '16 Colorado diesel 4wd, and only RC and Zone(I don't think even BDS had a lift for the diesel Colorado at the time-BDS/Zone are sister companies), and my installer brought in both the RC and Zone lift so we could compare 'em before I made a decision.
The RC components looked, well, 'cheap' compared to the Zone pieces. Welds weren't complete in all places and weren't as clean as the Zone's, the plate was thinner, and the hardware in the Zone kit was better(Zinc coating etc)
What's the RC CO's cost? Do they manufacturer them themselves, are they made by someone else?
I had the 2.5 Fox CO's on my '12 FX4, and I wanna say I paid around $1100 for 'em ON SALE. You'll hafta check, but IIRC 'retail' on the Fox (non externally adjustable) 2.5 CO's w/res is around $1400- and they're pretty good looking pieces IMO.
The non-res CO's are cheaper of course, but you said you wanted reservoirs.
Again, if it were my decision I'd choose Fox. The ONLY other manufacturer that I would consider would be King. Like Fox, really good internals, and really easy to service. While I've never personally owned any Kings, people I trust have, and have told me repeatedly they have a pretty plush ride too
I know you don't off-road thus you might think the internals are secondary, but quality parts also mean longevity and reliability-across the board
Last edited by yokev; Apr 30, 2019 at 12:10 AM.
I haven't heard ANYthing about them. All I know about Rough Country is with their general product.
My last truck was a '16 Colorado diesel 4wd, and only RC and Zone(I don't think even BDS had a lift for the diesel Colorado at the time-BDS/Zone are sister companies), and my installer brought in both the RC and Zone lift so we could compare 'em before I made a decision.
The RC components looked, well, 'cheap' compared to the Zone pieces. Welds weren't complete in all places and weren't as clean as the Zone's, the plate was thinner, and the hardware in the Zone kit was better(Zinc coating etc)
Anyway, am I correct in my understanding that you're more concerned with aesthetics?
What's the RC CO's cost?
I had the 2.5 Fox CO's on my '12 FX4, and I wanna say I paid around $1100 for 'em ON SALE. You'll hafta check, but IIRC 'retail' on the Fox (non externally adjustable) 2.5 CO's w/res is around $1400- and they're pretty good looking pieces IMO.
The non-res CO's are cheaper of course, but you said you wanted reservoirs.
Again, if it were my decision I'd choose Fox and not give it another thought. The ONLY other manufacturer that I would consider would be King. Like Fox, really good internals, and really easy to service. I know you don't off-road thus you might think the internals are secondary, but quality parts also mean longevity and reliability-across the board
My last truck was a '16 Colorado diesel 4wd, and only RC and Zone(I don't think even BDS had a lift for the diesel Colorado at the time-BDS/Zone are sister companies), and my installer brought in both the RC and Zone lift so we could compare 'em before I made a decision.
The RC components looked, well, 'cheap' compared to the Zone pieces. Welds weren't complete in all places and weren't as clean as the Zone's, the plate was thinner, and the hardware in the Zone kit was better(Zinc coating etc)
Anyway, am I correct in my understanding that you're more concerned with aesthetics?
What's the RC CO's cost?
I had the 2.5 Fox CO's on my '12 FX4, and I wanna say I paid around $1100 for 'em ON SALE. You'll hafta check, but IIRC 'retail' on the Fox (non externally adjustable) 2.5 CO's w/res is around $1400- and they're pretty good looking pieces IMO.
The non-res CO's are cheaper of course, but you said you wanted reservoirs.
Again, if it were my decision I'd choose Fox and not give it another thought. The ONLY other manufacturer that I would consider would be King. Like Fox, really good internals, and really easy to service. I know you don't off-road thus you might think the internals are secondary, but quality parts also mean longevity and reliability-across the board
I don't think the internals are secondary but I thought from what you mentioned that since i was not offroading that the Fox maybe over kill for my application. I initially thought that the ability to adjust compression would allow me to adjust my ride so that its not to stiff and would be good for onroad. Aesthetics is definitely a concern but not at the expense of ride quality. I already have the BDS 6" kit just not installed. The only reason I asked about the vertex is a lot of people on the forum have been saying positive things about it. (Do a search). I am aware of the reputation as far as quality of Rough country but poeple are saying RC trying to step there game up. it seems like the people that are buying them are not doing much offroading. Just something to think about.
I googled 'em real quick, and it looks like they're about $400 cheaper than the 'basic'(non adjustable) Fox CO's.
Again, I have no experience with 'em, and $400 is $400.
Lemme ask you, the people that are reporting good stuff about 'em...how many miles have they put on 'em?
Cheap(er) shocks tend to use **** oil, which will can show up in ride quality(the ride will get harsh, as both compression and rebound damping will degrade) in a few thousand miles or more(or less) depending..
And how do you service them? Is there a service area on RC's website? With Fox of course, you can simply fill out a service form on their site and send 'em in. There's also a bunch of local shops that can service them too, so you don't have to leave your truck up on jacks while you wait for 'em to come back
Not trying to talk you out of 'em by any means. Just giving you things to think about
As I have said before in the other threads you had this question. If you want on road quality, go with halo lift, fox 2.0's, or bilsteins and use the spacer. Nothing wrong with spacers if you do not off road. You will get a MUCH better ride out of those three options compared to nearly any 2.5". The only reason 2.5" is beneficial over 2.0" is fade from heat. 2.5" hold more oil. Same thing with reservoirs. This is also only beneficial if you are compressing the shock fast and repeatedly (think off road again). But, since these shocks are set up to be an off road shock, they are stiffer so they don't compress and can take big bumps without bottoming out. Running the halo lift/fox/bilstein option at lower spring compression (like as low as they can go) would also give you a more cushy ride.
You would spend about $900 for the fox/halo option (I would personally choose the halo's) Or like $200 for the bilstein.
I can also tell you, while my fox 2.5"s are great, they definitely a a little rougher than stock. But I expected that because they are designed to be off road shocks.
You would spend about $900 for the fox/halo option (I would personally choose the halo's) Or like $200 for the bilstein.
I can also tell you, while my fox 2.5"s are great, they definitely a a little rougher than stock. But I expected that because they are designed to be off road shocks.
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As I have said before in the other threads you had this question. If you want on road quality, go with halo lift, fox 2.0's, or bilsteins and use the spacer. Nothing wrong with spacers if you do not off road. You will get a MUCH better ride out of those three options compared to nearly any 2.5". The only reason 2.5" is beneficial over 2.0" is fade from heat. 2.5" hold more oil. Same thing with reservoirs. This is also only beneficial if you are compressing the shock fast and repeatedly (think off road again). But, since these shocks are set up to be an off road shock, they are stiffer so they don't compress and can take big bumps without bottoming out. Running the halo lift/fox/bilstein option at lower spring compression (like as low as they can go) would also give you a more cushy ride.
You would spend about $900 for the fox/halo option (I would personally choose the halo's) Or like $200 for the bilstein.
I can also tell you, while my fox 2.5"s are great, they definitely a a little rougher than stock. But I expected that because they are designed to be off road shocks.
You would spend about $900 for the fox/halo option (I would personally choose the halo's) Or like $200 for the bilstein.
I can also tell you, while my fox 2.5"s are great, they definitely a a little rougher than stock. But I expected that because they are designed to be off road shocks.
https://www.f150forum.com/f2/rough-c...estion-429745/
The 'Holy Grail' with off-road suspension is to ride as plush as possible, yet resist bottoming, and IME Fox 2.5's do that very well. I've never felt any harshness(rough as you said) with any of the sets I've owned, or installed on other trucks. Icon, another story altogether, but they shouldn't.
I agree that CO's aren't necessary to street use, and that 2.0's would work just fine. Matter of fact, IMO 2.0's work fine in the back even for light-to-moderate off-road use as well.
That's actually not true at all, and if yours road rough, you had valving or other issues.
The 'Holy Grail' with off-road suspension is to ride as plush as possible, yet resist bottoming, and IME Fox 2.5's do that very well. I've never felt any harshness(rough as you said) with any of the sets I've owned, or installed on other trucks. Icon, another story altogether, but they shouldn't.
I agree that CO's aren't necessary to street use, and that 2.0's would work just fine. Matter of fact, IMO 2.0's work fine in the back even for light-to-moderate off-road use as well.
The 'Holy Grail' with off-road suspension is to ride as plush as possible, yet resist bottoming, and IME Fox 2.5's do that very well. I've never felt any harshness(rough as you said) with any of the sets I've owned, or installed on other trucks. Icon, another story altogether, but they shouldn't.
I agree that CO's aren't necessary to street use, and that 2.0's would work just fine. Matter of fact, IMO 2.0's work fine in the back even for light-to-moderate off-road use as well.
I love them and think they are great but they are using a 650lb/inch spring compared to factory 400lb/inch (IIRC). The valving (from Fox) is also set up more off road biased and for good reason.
Using that single rate spring like the fox does, only allows for certain valving and comfort. Fox does one of the better jobs for meeting on road and off road comfort. But it is nowhere near the “holy grail.” My rzr 800s with custom dual rate and custom valving is a holy grail. But it took both of those things to be that.
I could get the 2.5”s revalved for my specific truck and it would probably improve them a little, but to get much better than this you would have to do a dual rate setup in order to optimize the plushness and firmness. That is why nearly all “holy grail” off road machines have dual rate spring setups. Without that dual rate option you can only do so much.





