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Old 02-21-2020, 08:18 AM
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mid-size trucks the world over look like it. The US is the only country in the world where trucks haven't evolved to a more sleek style.

look at trucks like the Nissan Nivara and the toyota trucks overseas....all better looking IMO. Course, the Frontier is going on what, 15 years since a re-do? That being said, mid-size trucks all over the world have diesels too. But our emissions restrictions make small diesels wholly impractical for manufacturers to try to meet....that and a 200hp diesel with 400ft-lbs in a mid-size truck doesn't 'feel' fast, so untrained Americans don't like it.

i like the ranger. I think the price is batty....but full size truck prices are just as crazy.
I don't care if the rest of the world is doing it, I don't like the style of most foreign cars and that's what I don't like about the Ranger, looks foreign. Same with the Colorado and Canyon. The Frontier has always been ugly and the Tacoma is the most masculine and truck like of all of them in styling. If I wanted something that looks liked a car I'd buy a car.
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Originally Posted by chimmike
mid-size trucks the world over look like it. The US is the only country in the world where trucks haven't evolved to a more sleek style.

look at trucks like the Nissan Nivara and the toyota trucks overseas....all better looking IMO. Course, the Frontier is going on what, 15 years since a re-do? That being said, mid-size trucks all over the world have diesels too. But our emissions restrictions make small diesels wholly impractical for manufacturers to try to meet....that and a 200hp diesel with 400ft-lbs in a mid-size truck doesn't 'feel' fast, so untrained Americans don't like it.

i like the ranger. I think the price is batty....but full size truck prices are just as crazy.
I don't live in the socialist hellscape they call Europe... This is MERICA! I don't want a truck that looks like a mini van or a crossover.
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I don't care if the rest of the world is doing it, I don't like the style of most foreign cars and that's what I don't like about the Ranger, looks foreign. Same with the Colorado and Canyon. The Frontier has always been ugly and the Tacoma is the most masculine and truck like of all of them in styling. If I wanted something that looks liked a car I'd buy a car.
My wife is an engineer for Nissan, she hates the Frontier, it is extremely dated looking. The Frontier redesign was pushed back to make way for the new Titan update I believe. The new Frontier will be released in a the next year or two I think.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:31 AM
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I don't live in the socialist hellscape they call Europe... This is MERICA! I don't want a truck that looks like a mini van or a crossover.
Down in Oz they have a far better selection of trucks than we do, and they have all those models there, same with Asia. Europe, for their part, has severe disdain for trucks.
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My wife is an engineer for Nissan, she hates the Frontier, it is extremely dated looking. The Frontier redesign was pushed back to make way for the new Titan update I believe. The new Frontier will be released in a the next year or two I think.
If the new Frontier takes any styling from the Titan it will look even worse than there current design! Lol
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My wife is an engineer for Nissan, she hates the Frontier, it is extremely dated looking. The Frontier redesign was pushed back to make way for the new Titan update I believe. The new Frontier will be released in a the next year or two I think.
Sorry for her luck. Nissan is a shell of the company they were 15 years ago, unfortunately. i used to be a huge nissan fan....they lost me. Gohn drove that company into the ground. I almost got hired by them just before they moved HQ to TN. Fortunately i didn't...the dept I would've worked for...half of 'em got laid off before the move was announced. LOL.

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Originally Posted by chimmike
Sorry for her luck. Nissan is a shell of the company they were 15 years ago, unfortunately. i used to be a huge nissan fan....they lost me. Gohn drove that company into the ground. I almost got hired by them just before they moved HQ to TN. Fortunately i didn't...the dept I would've worked for...half of 'em got laid off before the move was announced. LOL.
Nah man, she seems to really enjoy working for them. She's been there about 6 or 7 years now. She got hired in right out of college and left Nissan for General Motors for about 4 months and hated it and went back to Nissan. She's at the tech center currently, but visits TN pretty regularly. We are both from GM families being from the Flint/ Detroit area, but I can't talk too badly about Nissan they have been a big reason we have been able to have the life we have financially and having driven a number of their vehicles I think they have a few solid models in the crossover and sedan categories.
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If the new Frontier takes any styling from the Titan it will look even worse than there current design! Lol
I was a big fan of the Titan diesel with the cummins. Unfortunetly I think sales were sluggish and they are getting rid of it from their lineup.
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Eventually I'll probably move back to a midsized. I'd have a hard time deciding which one right now, IMO the Tacoma has gone downhill with the last refresh. I drove an 05 Frontier for 10 years and I loved that truck, but aside from a new headunit it's still the same truck. The Ranger is pretty "meh", but I'd at least test drive one. Regardless of what a lot of people think, the Ridgeline has more capability than 90% of truck owners need and it might be at the top of my list, but the 2nd gen is just fugly. I'm really curious what Nissan does with the new Frontier though.
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I was a big fan of the Titan diesel with the cummins. Unfortunetly I think sales were sluggish and they are getting rid of it from their lineup.
That was a niche truck for niche that didn't exist. It got 3/4 and 1 ton diesel mpg (or worse) but didn't actually have any greater capability than many F150s. It was heavier and cost more, though.
I drove the new Titan when they did a bunch of demos on a tour, acceleration, braking, off-road course, etc. The interior was pretty nice, and i liked the diesel. But then I bought an F150 and haven't looked back.

Like i said. I used to love Nissan. Owned several over the years. But their lineup now just feels so vanilla I can't even look at it anymore, outside the GTR (which is admittedly long in the tooth too despite being absolutely fantastic).
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