Lightning Towing
12-22-2022, 09:06 PM
#21
I've seen this video. Towing range is limited. That being said it would still be adequate for shorter distance, taking boat to local boat ramp, towing trailer to job site.
Also even with an ICE, travel is changing, and there are more options. Owning and maintaining a travel trailer camper, for example, would be a lot more expensive than just staying at an Airbnb.
At some point the electric engine could prove to last much longer and be less expensive. If that proves to be the case people will adapt. If they can last 20 years the entire dynamic changes.
I don't know how it will play out or how long it will take. I only drive 13k miles a year so wouldn't be saving too much there, but if it lasted much longer and lower cost, and constant maintenance that would be nice.
I"m not saying any of this will happen not trying to will it into being. The major challenge has been the battery for a long time now that demonstrates how challenging it is.
Also even with an ICE, travel is changing, and there are more options. Owning and maintaining a travel trailer camper, for example, would be a lot more expensive than just staying at an Airbnb.
At some point the electric engine could prove to last much longer and be less expensive. If that proves to be the case people will adapt. If they can last 20 years the entire dynamic changes.
I don't know how it will play out or how long it will take. I only drive 13k miles a year so wouldn't be saving too much there, but if it lasted much longer and lower cost, and constant maintenance that would be nice.
I"m not saying any of this will happen not trying to will it into being. The major challenge has been the battery for a long time now that demonstrates how challenging it is.
02-02-2023, 11:01 AM
#22
Senior Member
Level 2 charging at home isn't that much better than level 3 (currently about $0.19/kWh), but the bigger issue is that the price per kWh is going to rise as demand rises from gasoline demand bring shifted to the grid with insufficient additional supply. That'll be more of an issue in California than Texas, but I expect $0.3/kWh in Texas by 2025. With $3.5/ gallon gas, a 30 MPG is cheaper per mile vs anything but charging with your own PV panels.
The biggest mistake in the BEV crusade is the fixation upon storage with far less attention paid to supply. It's as if everyone brought Tupperware and paper plates to a potluck but only one family brought food. BEVs make far more sense AFTER most of the good roof space is occupied with solar panels making energy looking for a home. The current strategy is going to leave a lot of consumers bitter about BEVs for reasons that are completely avoidable, just like how the public incorrectly believes that two strokes are dirty, cheap and inefficient.
The biggest mistake in the BEV crusade is the fixation upon storage with far less attention paid to supply. It's as if everyone brought Tupperware and paper plates to a potluck but only one family brought food. BEVs make far more sense AFTER most of the good roof space is occupied with solar panels making energy looking for a home. The current strategy is going to leave a lot of consumers bitter about BEVs for reasons that are completely avoidable, just like how the public incorrectly believes that two strokes are dirty, cheap and inefficient.
02-02-2023, 11:44 AM
#23
Senior Member
perhaps I am not understanding. Using the example an EV versus ICE 80% of the time your cost is 66% less . 20% of the time it 5-10% more. Still works out to be less than half the cost of gas.
I was definitely concerned about the battery but with an 8 year warranty and 75% Capacity being the cutoff I assume they know something more about the battery than I do. The only limits in the warranty are extended period of low charge. I have Never had a phone battery last for more than Two years so if they want to say it will last 8 or they will replace it I am good. Perhaps by then they will have made it through all the initial reservations
I was definitely concerned about the battery but with an 8 year warranty and 75% Capacity being the cutoff I assume they know something more about the battery than I do. The only limits in the warranty are extended period of low charge. I have Never had a phone battery last for more than Two years so if they want to say it will last 8 or they will replace it I am good. Perhaps by then they will have made it through all the initial reservations