Topic Sponsor
F150 Lightning / EV models This is for discussion of the F150 Lightning and any future F-series EV models.

Lightning Towing

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 28, 2022 | 04:06 PM
  #1  
Lemmingcus Meenicus's Avatar
Thread Starter
Mostly Harmless
 
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 525
Likes: 228
From: Utopia Planetia Shipyards LEO
Default Lightning Towing

Reply
Old Sep 28, 2022 | 04:07 PM
  #2  
16IngotFX4's Avatar
has left the building
 
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 9,647
Likes: 3,421
Default

I've seen that recommended.

Is the title pure clickbate?
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2022 | 04:14 PM
  #3  
mass-hole's Avatar
5 Year Member
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,513
Likes: 1,280
Default

Originally Posted by 16IngotFX4
I've seen that recommended.

Is the title pure clickbate?
Yes.

But apparently a lot of people still haven't come to the realization that the towing range of any EV truck released so far is pretty abysmal with any decent sized trailer.

If your goal is to tow decent sized trailers for decent distances then its best to stick with an ICE. Hopefully at some point the MFG's will start putting range extenders in the EV trucks so that we get the benefits of the electric powertrain but can still tow more than 90 miles without stopping for an hour or more to recharge. Thats approximately a 50% duty cycle(50% driving, 50% sitting waiting). My Ecoboost is probably more like 98%. I can tow for 3-4 hours and refill my tank in 5 minutes.
Reply
Old Sep 28, 2022 | 09:51 PM
  #4  
Ptoughneigh's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 359
Likes: 183
Default

I’m pretty sure there are about 100 people saying “people don’t realize how bad EV towing range is” for every one person who doesn’t know how bad EV towing range is.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2022 | 11:05 AM
  #5  
amschind's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 491
Likes: 177
From: Houston, Texas
Default

My issue is that my cost per mile would be 5% higher towing and 10% higher unladen in a Lightning buying fast charging than in my Powerboost buying 87 or 93.

EVs are very cheap when charged on your own solar array, which is sufficient for 80% of driving. They start to show the issues inherent to rechargeable batteries on longer trips or under high continuous load. I'm probably going to buy an Aptera, but I wouldn't really consider a lightning without an engine.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2022 | 03:06 PM
  #6  
Ptoughneigh's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 359
Likes: 183
Default

If everyone with a garage or a driveway had the option to trickle fill their tank with $1.30 /gal gas each night, I bet 90% of them would essentially stop using gas stations, and on long trips they would really complain about the cost.
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2022 | 12:35 AM
  #7  
mass-hole's Avatar
5 Year Member
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,513
Likes: 1,280
Default

Originally Posted by amschind
My issue is that my cost per mile would be 5% higher towing and 10% higher unladen in a Lightning buying fast charging than in my Powerboost buying 87 or 93.

EVs are very cheap when charged on your own solar array, which is sufficient for 80% of driving. They start to show the issues inherent to rechargeable batteries on longer trips or under high continuous load. I'm probably going to buy an Aptera, but I wouldn't really consider a lightning without an engine.
It doesnt even need to be a solar array. Just charging one off my normal grid rate would be super cheap.

But i also dont drive all that much so my actual dollar savings per year vs ICE is not huge. Certainly not enough to take the hit trading in my 2014 F150.

At the end of the day, if I buy an EV, it will be something small and hyper efficient for daily driving. I still need an ICE truck unless some huge breakthrough in battery density happens or they start putting range extenders in the BEV trucks.
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2022 | 07:47 AM
  #8  
bajaman's Avatar
in the house
Supporting Member

15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,140
Likes: 1,978
From: Kansas
Default

Charging off the grid is equal to ~$5.39 per gallon gas, @ 4 cents a kilowatt hour...expensive but less than dino-fluid in a lot of places currently. Solar is a great option when the sun shines. One has to wonder if a natural gas generator used exclusively for EV charging would be cost effective?
Reply
Old Oct 9, 2022 | 08:52 AM
  #9  
Ptoughneigh's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 359
Likes: 183
Default

Originally Posted by bajaman
Charging off the grid is equal to ~$5.39 per gallon gas, @ 4 cents a kilowatt hour...expensive but less than dino-fluid in a lot of places currently. Solar is a great option when the sun shines. One has to wonder if a natural gas generator used exclusively for EV charging would be cost effective?
You've got a decimal point in the wrong place somewhere in your calculations. At 4 cents a killowatt hour it would cost about $6 to fill the lightning from 0-100%.
Reply
Old Oct 10, 2022 | 02:03 PM
  #10  
mass-hole's Avatar
5 Year Member
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 3,513
Likes: 1,280
Default

Originally Posted by bajaman
Charging off the grid is equal to ~$5.39 per gallon gas, @ 4 cents a kilowatt hour...expensive but less than dino-fluid in a lot of places currently. Solar is a great option when the sun shines. One has to wonder if a natural gas generator used exclusively for EV charging would be cost effective?
Its about the same price as gas at a commercial charger.

At home it should be a fraction of that. It would cost me about $16 to full charge a Lightning Extended range, including charging losses, and that would give me 300 miles of range. My Ecoboost F150 would need about 15 gallons of gas best case to do that, and that would be at $4.59 a gallon currently, so almost $70
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:16 PM.