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Lemmingcus Meenicus 09-28-2022 04:06 PM

Lightning Towing
 

16IngotFX4 09-28-2022 04:07 PM

I've seen that recommended.

Is the title pure clickbate?

mass-hole 09-28-2022 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by 16IngotFX4 (Post 7293909)
I've seen that recommended.

Is the title pure clickbate?

Yes.

But apparently a lot of people still haven't come to the realization that the towing range of any EV truck released so far is pretty abysmal with any decent sized trailer.

If your goal is to tow decent sized trailers for decent distances then its best to stick with an ICE. Hopefully at some point the MFG's will start putting range extenders in the EV trucks so that we get the benefits of the electric powertrain but can still tow more than 90 miles without stopping for an hour or more to recharge. Thats approximately a 50% duty cycle(50% driving, 50% sitting waiting). My Ecoboost is probably more like 98%. I can tow for 3-4 hours and refill my tank in 5 minutes.

Ptoughneigh 09-28-2022 09:51 PM

I’m pretty sure there are about 100 people saying “people don’t realize how bad EV towing range is” for every one person who doesn’t know how bad EV towing range is.

amschind 10-02-2022 11:05 AM

My issue is that my cost per mile would be 5% higher towing and 10% higher unladen in a Lightning buying fast charging than in my Powerboost buying 87 or 93.

EVs are very cheap when charged on your own solar array, which is sufficient for 80% of driving. They start to show the issues inherent to rechargeable batteries on longer trips or under high continuous load. I'm probably going to buy an Aptera, but I wouldn't really consider a lightning without an engine.

Ptoughneigh 10-02-2022 03:06 PM

If everyone with a garage or a driveway had the option to trickle fill their tank with $1.30 /gal gas each night, I bet 90% of them would essentially stop using gas stations, and on long trips they would really complain about the cost.

mass-hole 10-09-2022 12:35 AM


Originally Posted by amschind (Post 7295998)
My issue is that my cost per mile would be 5% higher towing and 10% higher unladen in a Lightning buying fast charging than in my Powerboost buying 87 or 93.

EVs are very cheap when charged on your own solar array, which is sufficient for 80% of driving. They start to show the issues inherent to rechargeable batteries on longer trips or under high continuous load. I'm probably going to buy an Aptera, but I wouldn't really consider a lightning without an engine.

It doesnt even need to be a solar array. Just charging one off my normal grid rate would be super cheap.

But i also dont drive all that much so my actual dollar savings per year vs ICE is not huge. Certainly not enough to take the hit trading in my 2014 F150.

At the end of the day, if I buy an EV, it will be something small and hyper efficient for daily driving. I still need an ICE truck unless some huge breakthrough in battery density happens or they start putting range extenders in the BEV trucks.

bajaman 10-09-2022 07:47 AM

Charging off the grid is equal to ~$5.39 per gallon gas, @ 4 cents a kilowatt hour...expensive but less than dino-fluid in a lot of places currently. Solar is a great option when the sun shines. One has to wonder if a natural gas generator used exclusively for EV charging would be cost effective?

Ptoughneigh 10-09-2022 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by bajaman (Post 7299705)
Charging off the grid is equal to ~$5.39 per gallon gas, @ 4 cents a kilowatt hour...expensive but less than dino-fluid in a lot of places currently. Solar is a great option when the sun shines. One has to wonder if a natural gas generator used exclusively for EV charging would be cost effective?

You've got a decimal point in the wrong place somewhere in your calculations. At 4 cents a killowatt hour it would cost about $6 to fill the lightning from 0-100%.

mass-hole 10-10-2022 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by bajaman (Post 7299705)
Charging off the grid is equal to ~$5.39 per gallon gas, @ 4 cents a kilowatt hour...expensive but less than dino-fluid in a lot of places currently. Solar is a great option when the sun shines. One has to wonder if a natural gas generator used exclusively for EV charging would be cost effective?

Its about the same price as gas at a commercial charger.

At home it should be a fraction of that. It would cost me about $16 to full charge a Lightning Extended range, including charging losses, and that would give me 300 miles of range. My Ecoboost F150 would need about 15 gallons of gas best case to do that, and that would be at $4.59 a gallon currently, so almost $70


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