Why I decided on 2022 GMC Sierra 1500 instead of 2022 F150
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funny, almost the exact same experience here. We need two vehicles, a kid hauler and a truck. Was seriously considering the Telluride until I had the same experience as you. Now that I’ve had the experience I’ve had with the F150, when we decide to pull the trigger on the new SUV I won’t even go to other dealerships. Personally I think there should be a movement in this country using social media for consumers to single out a brand doing this price gouging and boycott them one by one until each company doing it goes out of business. Start with KIA and run through the list one by one until only the ethical companies are still in business. Ford made a customer for life out of me after this. It infuriates me so many dealers took bailout money only to turn around and price gouge like greedy pigs. And if the corporate entity who owns the brand is going to allow it, then they deserve to be boycotted forever in my mind. Remember something, We don’t need them, they need us.
Buyers set these prices. If people are willing and able to pay $60k for something, it should not be sold for $50k
Remember how empty dealer lots have been? Lack of supply, inflated money demand. This is what happens.
And don't forget that inflation is devaluing your dollars so fast that annual MSRP increases can't keep up. Elections have consequences
I believe it was only for the Mustang Mach-E and the Lightning.. then Ford also upped the prices because it wasn't just a piece of the pie Ford wanted, it was the whole pie. The demand was crazy. Most dealerships are still asking for above MSRP in certain models, particularly the Raptor.
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Another thing to keep in mind is with low inventories, the number of sales has dropped. Instead of making 3000 dollars on 100 trucks, they are now trying to make 6000 dollars on 50 trucks. Frankly its not a good place for anyone. I imagine the salesmen and service groups aren't loving the low volume either. Not saying there are not shenanigans out there, because there 100% is, but the land the lot is on, the building electricity, the people who work on them, etc are not free either. Like everyone else with inflation I am sure pay, therefore cost, is up across the board there as well. Nothing about this is good for the consumer, but not in all case's is it the dealers just out to screw everyone either. Now a 30K markup on a Mach-e, they should burn in the online fires until no one sees them again.
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The other big issue I have with GM trucks is the the 5.3 liter. It was a good motor 15 years ago, but it's a dog compared to the Ford offerings at this point. You have to spend 65K+ just to get a 6.2 if you go the Sierra route. GM needs to kick the 5.3 to the curb and just roll with the 6.2 across the board as their V8 option. You can get them cheaper in a Silverado, but you're not going to get as much truck at the same price point as an F150 if you do.
87 octane is recommended in the 5.3L and is pretty good on gas if you drive easy. The 6.2 is a gas pig and premium is recommended. Most people that drive around half ton trucks dont want or need such a thirsty and costly powerplant to drive to work or tow their 3000 lbs boat. GM would take a pretty big hit in sales and average fuel economy if they got rid of the 5.3L.
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The 5.3 isnt going anywhere. Its still their bread and butter engine in their half ton lineup. And while it wasnt as ballsy off the line as my 2.7 was, I didnt consider it a dog by any means and it would roast the tires off the line pretty easy.
87 octane is recommended in the 5.3L and is pretty good on gas if you drive easy. The 6.2 is a gas pig and premium is recommended. Most people that drive around half ton trucks dont want or need such a thirsty and costly powerplant to drive to work or tow their 3000 lbs boat. GM would take a pretty big hit in sales and average fuel economy if they got rid of the 5.3L.
87 octane is recommended in the 5.3L and is pretty good on gas if you drive easy. The 6.2 is a gas pig and premium is recommended. Most people that drive around half ton trucks dont want or need such a thirsty and costly powerplant to drive to work or tow their 3000 lbs boat. GM would take a pretty big hit in sales and average fuel economy if they got rid of the 5.3L.
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Fords 3rd most powerful engine is better.......to me, not to everyone. And I said my 2.7 was more ballsy off the line. But GM trucks with the 5.3 are rated to tow more than Ford 2.7 trucks so, better is debatable to some.
Most people don't care about having the fastest truck. But I do agree the 6.2L should be an option on all trim levels.
Most people don't care about having the fastest truck. But I do agree the 6.2L should be an option on all trim levels.
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Fords 3rd most powerful engine is better.......to me, not to everyone. And I said my 2.7 was more ballsy off the line. But GM trucks with the 5.3 are rated to tow more than Ford 2.7 trucks so, better is debatable to some.
Most people don't care about having the fastest truck. But I do agree the 6.2L should be an option on all trim levels.
Most people don't care about having the fastest truck. But I do agree the 6.2L should be an option on all trim levels.
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Fords 3rd most powerful engine is better.......to me, not to everyone. And I said my 2.7 was more ballsy off the line. But GM trucks with the 5.3 are rated to tow more than Ford 2.7 trucks so, better is debatable to some.
Most people don't care about having the fastest truck. But I do agree the 6.2L should be an option on all trim levels.
Most people don't care about having the fastest truck. But I do agree the 6.2L should be an option on all trim levels.
This was really fun to drive with the 2.7L twin turbo. It actual towed the trailer North in 2021 with the Spyder on the trailer like the whole setup like it was on rails. I traded it in on the F150 and headed out coming South and said to myself, this combination needs more driver input than the Edge ST did towing. The Ford Performance suspension in the ST made a more stable towing experience.
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It's not price gouging, it's supply and demand.
Buyers set these prices. If people are willing and able to pay $60k for something, it should not be sold for $50k
Remember how empty dealer lots have been? Lack of supply, inflated money demand. This is what happens.
And don't forget that inflation is devaluing your dollars so fast that annual MSRP increases can't keep up. Elections have consequences
Exactly this.
Buyers set these prices. If people are willing and able to pay $60k for something, it should not be sold for $50k
Remember how empty dealer lots have been? Lack of supply, inflated money demand. This is what happens.
And don't forget that inflation is devaluing your dollars so fast that annual MSRP increases can't keep up. Elections have consequences
Exactly this.
That is not supply/demand, that is plain ol greed. Right now the dollar is very strong against international currencies...check the rate against Canadian dollar, Euro, Yen etc so it's not all doom.
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