Is It Time To Remove The Keyless Entry Buttons?
Last edited by enigma869; Sep 11, 2022 at 09:35 AM.
I worked security for part of my career. A hazard of working in that industry is that you often look at features and situations with an eye toward “how could that be exploited?”
The opsec angle is kind of interesting. Seems it’d be so simple to watch owners essentially “give you a key” every time they get in their truck. With the fob already inside, all the tech around protecting your vehicle from theft becomes irrelevant.
Any punk with a telephoto lens could “copy your key” from the comfort of an overlooking building or across the Home Depot parking lot. Follow you home, and then just pick the time. Or if you’re at work, or you park in the same lot with any regularity, you’re exposed.
It must not be a common occurrence or we’d hear about it more. But maybe people just don’t want to admit that their car got boosted in such a clean, low tech way.
Same thing applies to house keypads. Unless they are the type that randomize number locations after every unlock, it’s remarkably low tech to get into your house. You don’t even have to look under the door mat or find the obvious fake rock with the hidden key.
The opsec angle is kind of interesting. Seems it’d be so simple to watch owners essentially “give you a key” every time they get in their truck. With the fob already inside, all the tech around protecting your vehicle from theft becomes irrelevant.
Any punk with a telephoto lens could “copy your key” from the comfort of an overlooking building or across the Home Depot parking lot. Follow you home, and then just pick the time. Or if you’re at work, or you park in the same lot with any regularity, you’re exposed.
It must not be a common occurrence or we’d hear about it more. But maybe people just don’t want to admit that their car got boosted in such a clean, low tech way.
Same thing applies to house keypads. Unless they are the type that randomize number locations after every unlock, it’s remarkably low tech to get into your house. You don’t even have to look under the door mat or find the obvious fake rock with the hidden key.
Then maybe they just hang out in a large, 300 car parking lot at popular beaches waiting for someone that DOES lock their keys in right? Okay, so now you need an angle on the keypad without other cars or the person in question blocking the view, need to have a Ford owner that actually uses the feature, and so on.
The actual cross section of people that use the keypad daily and in repeatable and obstruction free ways for this to be possible is next to non existent. It's like saying my keyboard is a security hazard because I type my work password into it 20 times a day and someone could conceivably be looking through my window with a telephoto lens and capture me typing it. The odds of anyone investing that much time and energy and even being able to make out what is happening is not even worth discussing.
Now, keypads at a home or outside an office building? Yeah, you have to be cautious there. That's a very public place and a static security device. Someone could point a video recorder at that keypad and leave and come back in a couple days and review footage of all the times someone used it. And the house doesn't move unlike the vehicle.
Just saying that the keypad isn't a security threat, even if you remove the far more obvious move of just busting out the window and when the truck alarm goes off turning it off with the key fob that would be inside. Infinitely quicker and you end up with the vehicle.
I'm in the "functionality & reliability over design" camp as well. This is my first ford and didn't realize how handy the key pad entry would be for my use cases.
- If needing in the garage, I've used the keypad entry to open the truck, so I can press the Homelink button. (FOB is in the house)
- Youth soccer club... Shared access to the truck to retrieve soccer gear, ice chest, ect. (FOB is in my pocket)
enigma869, curious your thoughts on the antenna? To me... the antenna drives me nuts. I hate the looks. It accumulates ice and creates wind noise. I hate it. To the point that I have just removed it completely.
- If needing in the garage, I've used the keypad entry to open the truck, so I can press the Homelink button. (FOB is in the house)
- Youth soccer club... Shared access to the truck to retrieve soccer gear, ice chest, ect. (FOB is in my pocket)
enigma869, curious your thoughts on the antenna? To me... the antenna drives me nuts. I hate the looks. It accumulates ice and creates wind noise. I hate it. To the point that I have just removed it completely.
I don't always have my phone with me.
I don't always want to get my phone out, unlock it, open the app, wait for the app to connect, then wait for the app to unlock the car, even if I do have my phone on me.
I want other people, at my choosing, to have the code to be able to unlock my truck without me having to be available to do it.
The entry buttons on the side are not replaced by anything else and I do use them and do want them.
I don't always want to get my phone out, unlock it, open the app, wait for the app to connect, then wait for the app to unlock the car, even if I do have my phone on me.
I want other people, at my choosing, to have the code to be able to unlock my truck without me having to be available to do it.
The entry buttons on the side are not replaced by anything else and I do use them and do want them.
I worked security for part of my career. A hazard of working in that industry is that you often look at features and situations with an eye toward “how could that be exploited?”
The opsec angle is kind of interesting. Seems it’d be so simple to watch owners essentially “give you a key” every time they get in their truck. With the fob already inside, all the tech around protecting your vehicle from theft becomes irrelevant.
Any punk with a telephoto lens could “copy your key” from the comfort of an overlooking building or across the Home Depot parking lot. Follow you home, and then just pick the time. Or if you’re at work, or you park in the same lot with any regularity, you’re exposed.
It must not be a common occurrence or we’d hear about it more. But maybe people just don’t want to admit that their car got boosted in such a clean, low tech way.
Same thing applies to house keypads. Unless they are the type that randomize number locations after every unlock, it’s remarkably low tech to get into your house. You don’t even have to look under the door mat or find the obvious fake rock with the hidden key.
The opsec angle is kind of interesting. Seems it’d be so simple to watch owners essentially “give you a key” every time they get in their truck. With the fob already inside, all the tech around protecting your vehicle from theft becomes irrelevant.
Any punk with a telephoto lens could “copy your key” from the comfort of an overlooking building or across the Home Depot parking lot. Follow you home, and then just pick the time. Or if you’re at work, or you park in the same lot with any regularity, you’re exposed.
It must not be a common occurrence or we’d hear about it more. But maybe people just don’t want to admit that their car got boosted in such a clean, low tech way.
Same thing applies to house keypads. Unless they are the type that randomize number locations after every unlock, it’s remarkably low tech to get into your house. You don’t even have to look under the door mat or find the obvious fake rock with the hidden key.
The keypad is often used without the FOB already in the truck.
Telephoto lens from a roof across the street? lol
I doubt many people use the keypad when they go to home depot, and I also doubt many people go to home depot so often, and park in the same location, and come out at a predictable enough time, and use the keypad without obscuring what they are entering from a known angle, and have somebody with a telephoto lens who is secret agent spying on them who sets up on a roof next door and watches and waits to copy their code for later use.
But if that's you...cover up when using your code when you make your daily run to home depot
Um, not quite. That's not what I said, at all. I simply said that Ford using the same keypad from 30 years ago, is akin to having headlights from a 1995 F-150 on my 2021 model. It's a dated look, period! Also, I got my driver's license in 1987, have probably owned 200 plus vehicles in my life, and have never not been able to gain access to any vehicle I've ever owned...whether it had a keypad, or not! Ford has enough tech in the new F-150 that as long as I have my cell phone with me (which I do...100% of the time), I will always have access to my truck, with or without the keypad. Listen...I get it. People have spoken and love these ugly *** buttons that is technogy from the 1980's! It's great that those who love it find it useful, and aren't bothered by the design. It obviously didn't prevent me from buying my current F-150...or the 9 previous F-150's I've owned! It's just a feature I thought would be updated to look a bit more like it belongs in this century....and still work as well as its always worked!
We have a "modern" set of buttons on our Explorer. You can't even see them until you use them, they are digital/LED/touch screen/whatever.
They suck. They take five times longer to use because you have to get it activated before you can press the buttons, and they often don't work with gloves or work well with this that or the other on your hands.
It kind of sounds you probably just shouldn't own a truck, it's not trendy and hipster enough for you.
You need something that people probably haven't heard of until you tell them about yours
They are also good, BTW, for making sure a vehicle is locked. When you don't have the keys. Like, your brother's. Dad's. Mom's. Wife's. Them checking yours. Just hit the two buttons to make sure it's locked after you all got out in the parking lot of ___ and the last person finally got the folding chair out of the back/etc/whatever. Or just walking by it in the driveway at the family get together. Or locking your other's vehicle in the driveway in case they forgot. Just pop the last two quick.
It's not all about getting in.
Last edited by blkZ28spt; Sep 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM.
I like my keypad and use it a fair amount. I always locked my keys in the truck while at the gym so I didn't have to have my clunky ring of keys on me. Sometimes, when I'm in the driveway, and want to check in the truck for something and I don't have my key or phone on me, I'll use the key pad. I spend a lot of time hunting, and don't always like to carry my keys in. (I walk in about a mile and if my keys were to fall out of my pocket, I'd be lucky to ever find them.) And if my hunting partner wants to get in my truck for any reason (lunch, got cold, shot a deer, I got injured) he could do that easily. It literally could be a life saver.
I hope they keep it.
I hope they keep it.








