Removed Features?!
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I agree with @bgalakazam , CarPlay and Android Auto are so much better than onboard Nav. If Sirius XM is that important, just stream it from your phone by using their app, the audio quality will be way better too.
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CarPlay trumps both of these... I have nav and Sirius on my truck, but can't use them due to overseas. Sirius is like 32kbs-128kbs usually, even then the quality is bad. Navigation is fine, until you realize it cannot compete with Apple Maps / Google maps. I wouldn't cancel order based on that alone.
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Where I live and drive, there is a LOT of bad cell service to the point that I can't stream my Sirius subscription through my phone. I also don't plan on having Google maps streaming to my pickup at all times, as I've heard often that it's a battery drainer just to see what roads I'm coming up to. I think the knife in the coffin is the fact that they've also pulled all future adaptive cruise features as hotrodmex posted. The dealer didn't mention that part to me... I'm really getting the feeling that Ford is way more excited to keep their best-selling moniker than worrying about keeping their customer base happy...
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Where I live and drive, there is a LOT of bad cell service to the point that I can't stream my Sirius subscription through my phone. I also don't plan on having Google maps streaming to my pickup at all times, as I've heard often that it's a battery drainer just to see what roads I'm coming up to. I think the knife in the coffin is the fact that they've also pulled all future adaptive cruise features as hotrodmex posted. The dealer didn't mention that part to me... I'm really getting the feeling that Ford is way more excited to keep their best-selling moniker than worrying about keeping their customer base happy...
You have a bad taste in your mouth that you will have a hard time overlooking for the next several years.
I'll update my earlier statement. Along with Nav and XM being useful tools to me -I don't think I'd forfeit Adaptive Cruise. I'll be in the next vehicle for a few years, while I don't travel often, I truly enjoy all 3 of those options on a cruise even 2 hours in one direction.
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Where I live and drive, there is a LOT of bad cell service to the point that I can't stream my Sirius subscription through my phone. I also don't plan on having Google maps streaming to my pickup at all times, as I've heard often that it's a battery drainer just to see what roads I'm coming up to. I think the knife in the coffin is the fact that they've also pulled all future adaptive cruise features as hotrodmex posted. The dealer didn't mention that part to me... I'm really getting the feeling that Ford is way more excited to keep their best-selling moniker than worrying about keeping their customer base happy...
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I posted on this too. Same boat.. XLT 301A. I was sour on the navigation because of the cell issues also, but found a way around it with some GPS apps (that helpful people here posted) so I could live with that delete. Then dealer told me co pilot 360 is going too... so no more adaptive cruise. I expect I will be turning the vehicle down now after waiting 5 months, and looking for a 21 with everything while ordering a 502a in July (assuming it still retains everything). Either way, you have a bad taste in your mouth about it like I do it seems. I can't see myself not being aggravated every time I get into it while making payments on it. Not super important in the big scheme of world issues, but 60k is a lot of money and this is the only new vehicle I've ever bought - so I can empathize with your feelings. Thing is that this stuff can't even be added later from all that I've seen. Dealer is probably being straight with you though, and has probably had to make the same call too many times to upset people.
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Hey everyone. I ordered a '22 Lariat in the middle of February. Last week I FINALLY got my VIN number in the email that my pickup is scheduled to be built the week of 6-20. Then Saturday, the salesman I went through emailed me with a very generic message saying "because the auto industry is dealing with supply chain issues, Ford is going to remove connected navigation and Sirius XM satellite radio from your order. I understand these can be important to you. If this isn't acceptable to you let me know and we can refund your deposit and cancel your order".
I definitely don't want to cancel, and I know I'm not the only person this is happening to... But what would you do? There's no talk of discounts off my order. I understand Chevy has been removing non-essential parts with the caveat to add them later as parts become available, which there was no mention of. I'd even be happy to push my order later.
I know these are very non-essential features, but I'm someone that will use Sirius every day and definitely want to have nav without relying on my phone. I also don't like the idea of spending over $50k for something with 'missing parts'.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the vibe this salesman just wants me to back out so they can get my truck in and turn it for more than what we agreed on.
Is every F-150 from here on out just not going to have Sirius or navigation? I'd imagine when the '23 books open, they'll just cost more for less... I'm kind of confused on what the right move is here.
I definitely don't want to cancel, and I know I'm not the only person this is happening to... But what would you do? There's no talk of discounts off my order. I understand Chevy has been removing non-essential parts with the caveat to add them later as parts become available, which there was no mention of. I'd even be happy to push my order later.
I know these are very non-essential features, but I'm someone that will use Sirius every day and definitely want to have nav without relying on my phone. I also don't like the idea of spending over $50k for something with 'missing parts'.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the vibe this salesman just wants me to back out so they can get my truck in and turn it for more than what we agreed on.
Is every F-150 from here on out just not going to have Sirius or navigation? I'd imagine when the '23 books open, they'll just cost more for less... I'm kind of confused on what the right move is here.
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PRODUCT OFFERING CHANGES
2022MY F-150 Connected Navigation and SiriusXM with 360L, Connected Built-In Navigation
ACTION REQUESTED
The automotive industry continues to be confronted by supply chain shortages of a wide variety of components used to manufacture Ford vehicles. As a way for customers to get their F-150 trucks sooner, Ford has implemented the following product offering change process.
Connected Navigation and SiriusXM with 360L are no longer available on 100A-501A where optional or included. Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal is now required where applicable on these trims and will include a credit on the window sticker. Connected Built-In Navigation is no longer available where optional on 100A-501A trims.
Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal (50X)
Can I upgrade my Navigation system or SiriusXM later?
CUSTOMER ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FORM
Customers taking delivery of 22MY F-150 vehicles including Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal must sign the attached Acknowledgement Form to acknowledge their understanding that the vehicle is not equipped with the feature(s) identified and they will not be charged for the feature(s). A copy of the signed Acknowledgment Form must be included in the deal jacket.
Customers taking delivery of 22MY F-150 vehicles that have been amended to remove the optional Connected Built-In Navigation must sign the attached Acknowledgement Form to acknowledge their understanding that the vehicle is not equipped with the feature(s) identified and they will not be charged for the feature(s). A copy of the signed Acknowledgment Form must be included in the deal jacket.
Due to the number of potentially impacted features on a particular vehicle, the Acknowledgement Form has been updated to include a check box for each feature that could be impacted. Dealers must check the appropriate box(es) on the Acknowledgement Form prior to asking for the customer’s signature. Failure to check the proper boxes could result in an erroneous assumption by the customer that none of the customer’s features are impacted.
2022MY F-150 Connected Navigation and SiriusXM with 360L, Connected Built-In Navigation
ACTION REQUESTED
- Dealers should communicate with retail and fleet customers regarding Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L changes required to their orders. Following this communication, dealers should add Option Code 50X (Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal) where applicable on unscheduled retail and fleet orders by May 26th, 2022. Orders that are not updated by May 26th, 2022 regardless of status (scheduled or unscheduled) will be amended by Ford on May 27th, 2022. Dealers will be able to start making the required amendments on Tuesday May 24th.
- Most stock orders of 100A-501A trims with Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L (scheduled and unscheduled) will be amended by Ford to include Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal (50X) on May 23rd, 2022.
- Dealers should communicate with retail and fleet customers regarding Connected Built-In Navigation changes required to their orders. Following this communication, dealers should remove Option Code(s) 50N, 43B, and/or 43C (Connected Built-In Navigation, Ford Co-Pilot360 Assist 2.0, and/or Ford Co-Pilot360 Active 2.0) from F-150 retail & fleet unscheduled 100A-501A orders (excluding Gov’t) by May 26th, 2022. Orders that are not updated by May 26th, 2022, regardless of status (scheduled and unscheduled) will be amended by Ford to remove these options on May 27th, 2022. Dealers will be able to start making the required amendments on Tuesday May 24th.
- Most stock orders of 100A-501A trims with optional Connected Built-In Navigation, Ford Co-Pilot360 Assist 2.0, and/or Ford Co-Pilot360 Active 2.0 (scheduled and unscheduled) will be amended by Ford to remove these options on May 23rd, 2022.
- Customers taking delivery of 22MY F-150 vehicles including Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal must sign the attached Acknowledgement Form to acknowledge their understanding that the vehicle is not equipped with the feature(s) identified and they will not be charged for the feature(s). A copy of the signed Acknowledgment Form must be included in the deal jacket.
- Customers taking delivery of 22MY F-150 vehicles that have been amended to remove the optional Connected Built-In Navigation must sign the attached Acknowledgement Form to acknowledge their understanding that the vehicle is not equipped with the feature(s) identified and they will not be charged for the feature(s). A copy of the signed Acknowledgment Form must be included in the deal jacket.
- Due to the number of potentially impacted features on a particular vehicle, the Acknowledgement Form has been updated to include a check box for each feature that could be impacted. Dealers must check the appropriate box(es) on the Acknowledgement Form prior to asking for the customer’s signature. Failure to check the proper boxes could result in an erroneous assumption by the customer that none of the customer’s features are impacted.
The automotive industry continues to be confronted by supply chain shortages of a wide variety of components used to manufacture Ford vehicles. As a way for customers to get their F-150 trucks sooner, Ford has implemented the following product offering change process.
Connected Navigation and SiriusXM with 360L are no longer available on 100A-501A where optional or included. Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal is now required where applicable on these trims and will include a credit on the window sticker. Connected Built-In Navigation is no longer available where optional on 100A-501A trims.
Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal (50X)
- Connected Navigation and SiriusXM with 360L are no longer available on 100A-501A where optional or included. Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal is now required where applicable on these trims and will include a credit in the amount of $200 on the window sticker for “CNCTD NAV/SIRIUSXM REMOVAL.”
- Dealers should communicate with retail and fleet customers regarding changes required to their orders. Following this communication, dealers should add Option Code 50X (Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal) where applicable on unscheduled retail and fleet orders by May 26th, 2022. Orders that are not updated by May 26th, 2022 regardless of status (scheduled or unscheduled) will be amended by Ford on May 27th, 2022. Dealers will be able to start making the required amendments on Tuesday May 24th.
- Most stock orders of 100A-501A trims with Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L (scheduled and unscheduled) will be amended by Ford to include Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal (50X) on May 23rd, 2022.
- The Connected Built-In Navigation feature is no longer available to order where optional on 100A-501A (Optional through the following packages: Connected Built-In Navigation (50N), Ford Co-Pilot360 Assist 2.0 (43B), Ford Co-Pilot360 Active 2.0 (43C)). Unscheduled vehicle orders with the Connected Built-In Navigation will not be selected for scheduling and new orders with these options are no longer available to be placed.
- Dealers should communicate with retail and fleet customers regarding changes required to their orders. Following this communication, dealers should remove Option Code(s) 50N, 43B, and/or 43C (Connected Built-In Navigation, Ford Co-Pilot360 Assist 2.0, and/or Ford Co-Pilot360 Active 2.0) from F-150 retail & fleet unscheduled 100A-501A orders (excluding Gov’t) by May 26th, 2022. Orders that are not updated by May 26th, 2022, regardless of status (scheduled and unscheduled) will be amended by Ford to remove these options on May 27th, 2022. Dealers will be able to start making the required amendments on Tuesday May 24th.
- Most stock orders of 100A-501A trims with optional Connected Built-In Navigation, Ford Co-Pilot360 Assist 2.0, and/or Ford Co-Pilot360 Active 2.0 (scheduled and unscheduled) will be amended by Ford to remove these options on May 23rd, 2022.
Can I upgrade my Navigation system or SiriusXM later?
- Units built without Connected Navigation, Connected Built-In Navigation, or SiriusXM cannot be upgraded later.
- Yes, third-party navigation apps will still work via Apple CarPlay and AndroidAuto.
CUSTOMER ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FORM
Customers taking delivery of 22MY F-150 vehicles including Connected Navigation and SiriusXM® with 360L Removal must sign the attached Acknowledgement Form to acknowledge their understanding that the vehicle is not equipped with the feature(s) identified and they will not be charged for the feature(s). A copy of the signed Acknowledgment Form must be included in the deal jacket.
Customers taking delivery of 22MY F-150 vehicles that have been amended to remove the optional Connected Built-In Navigation must sign the attached Acknowledgement Form to acknowledge their understanding that the vehicle is not equipped with the feature(s) identified and they will not be charged for the feature(s). A copy of the signed Acknowledgment Form must be included in the deal jacket.
Due to the number of potentially impacted features on a particular vehicle, the Acknowledgement Form has been updated to include a check box for each feature that could be impacted. Dealers must check the appropriate box(es) on the Acknowledgement Form prior to asking for the customer’s signature. Failure to check the proper boxes could result in an erroneous assumption by the customer that none of the customer’s features are impacted.
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built in navigation will be a standalone add on feature moving forward and might well go away - I think on some new cars there isn't even an option to add it on. 2022 Edge I think looked like that when I bought one for my Dad, it's wasn't available. But it's new sync 4 with the big screen and _____________. the expectation is you will use your mobile anyway. BMW and a few others have also gone this route. Which is funny since alot of these cars now have full connected mode and their own independent 4g modem. so them it should come with some feature set to have native android and google maps.
But anyway I think this trend will grow because most people won't pay for the on board navigation updates either. and part of that install is predicated on assumed payments for updates. Put another way without the incentives from map updates there is no reason to include the feature in the future.
Which I find funny
But anyway I think this trend will grow because most people won't pay for the on board navigation updates either. and part of that install is predicated on assumed payments for updates. Put another way without the incentives from map updates there is no reason to include the feature in the future.
Which I find funny
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Where I live and drive, there is a LOT of bad cell service to the point that I can't stream my Sirius subscription through my phone. I also don't plan on having Google maps streaming to my pickup at all times, as I've heard often that it's a battery drainer just to see what roads I'm coming up to. I think the knife in the coffin is the fact that they've also pulled all future adaptive cruise features as hotrodmex posted. The dealer didn't mention that part to me... I'm really getting the feeling that Ford is way more excited to keep their best-selling moniker than worrying about keeping their customer base happy...
However, I am also used to downloading google maps for any section of road I travel on. There remain some parts of Northern New England with spotty coverage at best. Using Downloaded maps is therefore the only solution to getting from A to B.
Power consumption when using Google maps online, with WiFi/CarPlay and BT enabled, is huge. My current IPhone XR has been known to overheat and go flaky on me as a result, while its plugged in. Solution is to unplug it, shut it down and let it cool off.