Topic Sponsor
2021+ Ford F150 Discussion of the 14th generation F150.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Real Truck

Lightning

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 1, 2021 | 06:56 PM
  #71  
Austin Ron's Avatar
5 Year Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 86
Likes: 17
From: Austin TX
Default

Originally Posted by sollie
They won't: https://carbuzz.com/news/ford-says-r...-150-lightning

"The [Lightning's] wheels are specific to handle the weight load," Turnbull explained. "We are not sharing wheels with the [gas-powered] F-150."
I would expect him to say that but I bet the truth is they will swap and be fine. The raptors are running 17” wheels and tires and I’m sure the weight savings factor in significantly on a performance truck like the raptor. People don’t buy raptors generally for their towing or payload capabilities so they may not work.

But, if you’re talking about swapping a 20” Lariat or Platinum wheel onto the lightning that’s probably going to be doable. The tires on the lightning may have a higher load rating but you can swap those over to the new platinum wheels if that’s the case. I would find it hard to believe an 18” or 20” factory Ford aluminum wheel wouldn’t be sturdy enough to run on the lightning but who knows?

The aftermarket will certainly solve that dilemma however it plays out. I bet running a spacer on top of the front struts will be the way most people end up leveling them as well even if it means a slight hit in range from the aerodynamic loss.

Last edited by Austin Ron; Sep 1, 2021 at 06:59 PM.
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2021 | 07:03 PM
  #72  
blkZ28spt's Avatar
Senior Member
Supporting Member

5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 8,731
Likes: 4,800
Default

As long as it's a 6x135 bolt pattern and the backspacing/offset are same/similar.

We probably won't know until somebody does it in, like, 9-ish months
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2021 | 07:11 PM
  #73  
Austin Ron's Avatar
5 Year Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 86
Likes: 17
From: Austin TX
Default

Originally Posted by [F2C]MaDMaXX
What is the GVWR on the Lightning?
I watched a video recently that I thought said in the neighborhood of 6,000 pounds. The battery pack alone supposedly weighs 1,800 pounds so that number may be correct. This is a pretty good short article on that topic:

https://fordauthority.com/2021/05/20...s-1800-pounds/
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2021 | 07:13 PM
  #74  
blkZ28spt's Avatar
Senior Member
Supporting Member

5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 8,731
Likes: 4,800
Default

Originally Posted by Austin Ron
I watched a video recently that I thought said in the neighborhood of 6,000 pounds. The battery pack alone supposedly weighs 1,800 pounds so that number may be correct. This is a pretty good short article on that topic:

https://fordauthority.com/2021/05/20...s-1800-pounds/
Somebody guessed that the curb weight might be 6k pounds. GVWR would be curb weight + payload rating if you work it backwards, so GVWR for 1,500 lbs of payload at a curb weight of 6k would be GVWR=7500 if that were to be the case.

The usual SCREW 2.7 trucks are 6,600 GVWR, the 5.0/3.5 are usually 7,000 or 7,050 and the Powerboost 4x4's are 7,350 GVWR
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2021 | 07:39 PM
  #75  
[F2C]MaDMaXX's Avatar
Dielectrically 5w30
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 13,263
Likes: 5,465
From: Oregon
Default

Originally Posted by Austin Ron
I would expect him to say that but I bet the truth is they will swap and be fine. The raptors are running 17” wheels and tires and I’m sure the weight savings factor in significantly on a performance truck like the raptor. People don’t buy raptors generally for their towing or payload capabilities so they may not work.

But, if you’re talking about swapping a 20” Lariat or Platinum wheel onto the lightning that’s probably going to be doable. The tires on the lightning may have a higher load rating but you can swap those over to the new platinum wheels if that’s the case. I would find it hard to believe an 18” or 20” factory Ford aluminum wheel wouldn’t be sturdy enough to run on the lightning but who knows?

The aftermarket will certainly solve that dilemma however it plays out. I bet running a spacer on top of the front struts will be the way most people end up leveling them as well even if it means a slight hit in range from the aerodynamic loss.
Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
As long as it's a 6x135 bolt pattern and the backspacing/offset are same/similar.

We probably won't know until somebody does it in, like, 9-ish months
Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
Somebody guessed that the curb weight might be 6k pounds. GVWR would be curb weight + payload rating if you work it backwards, so GVWR for 1,500 lbs of payload at a curb weight of 6k would be GVWR=7500 if that were to be the case.

The usual SCREW 2.7 trucks are 6,600 GVWR, the 5.0/3.5 are usually 7,000 or 7,050 and the Powerboost 4x4's are 7,350 GVWR

This is why i asked - for an EV, unsprung weight/mass would be more important for efficiency's sake - not that it doesn't matter on ICE, but in this case, the weights are all about the same. Aero and weight are likely to be where the Lightning wheels will be different Vs. the ICE wheels.
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2021 | 09:03 PM
  #76  
Feathermerchant's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,965
Likes: 408
From: Euless, Tx
Default

From experience with Tesla EVs and my F150 HDPP the ICE wheels may not be rated for the Lightning's gross weight.
My F150 HDPP curb weight is 6,000. GVW is 8,200. The rear axle is rated for 4,800 so the (7 lug) wheels are rated for 2,400 each.
I think they are 7 lug wheels so you can't put the 6 lug on the HDPP truck.
Someone or multiples go out and look at your GVW sticker and wheel capacity molded on the inside of the rim.
This video:
says the Lightning is targeted to have a maximum payload (small battery) of 2,000lb and (large battery) 1,800lb.
If the curb weight is similar to mine at 6,000lb then the GVW will be about 8,000lb. That averages to 2,000lb per corner but we know that pickups carry more weight on the rear axle.
So the wheels will probably be specked at 2,20 to 2,400lb. They do look like 6 lug wheels. In another video he mentions that they are specifically designed for low drag.
Reply
Old Sep 1, 2021 | 09:20 PM
  #77  
blkZ28spt's Avatar
Senior Member
Supporting Member

5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 8,731
Likes: 4,800
Default

I'll be mindblown if its GVWR is 8,000 lbs

But...those numbers make sense. Damn
Reply
Old Sep 2, 2021 | 01:03 AM
  #78  
[F2C]MaDMaXX's Avatar
Dielectrically 5w30
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 13,263
Likes: 5,465
From: Oregon
Default

My 12th gen is 7350 GVWR. I cannot find the weight rating on the wheels, what does it look like on Ford wheels?
Reply
Old Sep 2, 2021 | 05:55 AM
  #79  
evdude83's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2021
Posts: 3
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by Austin Ron
I’m seriously thinking of buying one. I don’t ever do anything but run around town and haul little stuff. Haven’t towed anything in 20 years and if I did it would be a small ski or fishing boat out to the lake and back, which might be 75 to 100 miles round trip max. I might even consider buying an older model beater truck to do that kind of stuff with and just use the electric as my daily around town vehicle.

Is it necessary to reserve one? I would think if they’re available in a major city with multiple dealers around town they would sell one to whom ever is ready to buy. I don’t know what model I would want to purchase just yet. I typically buy a middle of the road XLT truck and change a few things to my liking but the new base “PRO” model might be all I need. I just don’t want to put money down if I haven’t made up my mind which truck is right for me.
Personally I don't think you will need to reserve. They' ramping up f150 lighting production already (https://wegoelectric.net/ford-increa...-year-by-2024/) so there should be plenty available.
Reply
Old Sep 2, 2021 | 06:02 AM
  #80  
Shadycoh's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 146
Likes: 70
Default

Originally Posted by evdude83
Personally I don't think you will need to reserve. They' ramping up f150 lighting production already (https://wegoelectric.net/ford-increa...-year-by-2024/) so there should be plenty available.

LOL
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:29 AM.