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To explain using charging specs to figure consumption.:
Ford as many other EV makers published "miles of range added per hour of charging" at several different charge rates. That information can be used to estimate how many kWh are added per mile of range added. Hence Wh/mile consumption. Using this method includes kWh lost in heat while charging. So it overstates the Wh/mile ie the Wh/mile comes out larger than it should because more Wh leave the wall than make it to the battery.
Yes we won't really know until we get some actual people driving actual trucks and reporting back here. Then we'll have to account or their driving speed, temperature and wind.
Ford as many other EV makers published "miles of range added per hour of charging" at several different charge rates. That information can be used to estimate how many kWh are added per mile of range added. Hence Wh/mile consumption. Using this method includes kWh lost in heat while charging. So it overstates the Wh/mile ie the Wh/mile comes out larger than it should because more Wh leave the wall than make it to the battery.
Yes we won't really know until we get some actual people driving actual trucks and reporting back here. Then we'll have to account or their driving speed, temperature and wind.
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To explain using charging specs to figure consumption.:
Ford as many other EV makers published "miles of range added per hour of charging" at several different charge rates. That information can be used to estimate how many kWh are added per mile of range added. Hence Wh/mile consumption. Using this method includes kWh lost in heat while charging. So it overstates the Wh/mile ie the Wh/mile comes out larger than it should because more Wh leave the wall than make it to the battery.
Yes we won't really know until we get some actual people driving actual trucks and reporting back here. Then we'll have to account or their driving speed, temperature and wind.
Ford as many other EV makers published "miles of range added per hour of charging" at several different charge rates. That information can be used to estimate how many kWh are added per mile of range added. Hence Wh/mile consumption. Using this method includes kWh lost in heat while charging. So it overstates the Wh/mile ie the Wh/mile comes out larger than it should because more Wh leave the wall than make it to the battery.
Yes we won't really know until we get some actual people driving actual trucks and reporting back here. Then we'll have to account or their driving speed, temperature and wind.
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2. The price of gas is lower than it was 13 years ago. If you want to pick and choose comparisons.
3. The price of electricity to operate vehicles is generally lower than gasoline to operate a similar vehicle.
4. At 2% of new vehicle sale being EV's, and hundreds of millions of gassers on the road, we have a long time until everyone has an EV.
5. The sky is not falling. It's all going to be okay
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1. Year-year changes in gas prices coming out of the global pandemic that saw negative oil prices is...silly at best.
2. The price of gas is lower than it was 13 years ago. If you want to pick and choose comparisons.
3. The price of electricity to operate vehicles is generally lower than gasoline to operate a similar vehicle.
4. At 2% of new vehicle sale being EV's, and hundreds of millions of gassers on the road, we have a long time until everyone has an EV.
5. The sky is not falling. It's all going to be okay
2. The price of gas is lower than it was 13 years ago. If you want to pick and choose comparisons.
3. The price of electricity to operate vehicles is generally lower than gasoline to operate a similar vehicle.
4. At 2% of new vehicle sale being EV's, and hundreds of millions of gassers on the road, we have a long time until everyone has an EV.
5. The sky is not falling. It's all going to be okay
NO I don;t want to go back to 1974. 50% in one year is a killer. we were just getting used to filling our cars and going for a fun drive. now we can't afford to.
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Rick... - "Weather, such as rain, also impacts range, as does change in altitude."
Agreed. Rain not as much as altitude change. On the Tesla forums where the discussion is about consumption, the readers usually avoid including data from those conditions when comparing consumption per mile. So I would assume that would happen here too. It just makes it easier to get an accurate number.
Trip planning software tends to use change in altitude when calculating range but rain and wind are usually not included.
Agreed. Rain not as much as altitude change. On the Tesla forums where the discussion is about consumption, the readers usually avoid including data from those conditions when comparing consumption per mile. So I would assume that would happen here too. It just makes it easier to get an accurate number.
Trip planning software tends to use change in altitude when calculating range but rain and wind are usually not included.
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pandemic? we had a pandemic in 2020 and 2021 and gas prices were reasonable. january 2022 prices shot up? why? guess!!!
NO I don;t want to go back to 1974. 50% in one year is a killer. we were just getting used to filling our cars and going for a fun drive. now we can't afford to.
NO I don;t want to go back to 1974. 50% in one year is a killer. we were just getting used to filling our cars and going for a fun drive. now we can't afford to.
Prices are literally no higher now than a decade ago
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It will go down. Seriously. The ideal time to charge an EV for the consumer is at night. The ideal time to charge an EV for the utility is at night when nationwide we have a 50% surplus generating capacity. Unused capacity that EVs can put to use. The ability to sell more electricity with the same capital investment puts money in the utility's pocket they would not otherwise have. Lowering costs.
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With about the same money one pays for one add on package (i.e. a 502A), one can get a small solar installation to power, if not all, at least a significant part of one’s driving. We all have access to a free fusion generator in the sky.