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Old Oct 16, 2021 | 09:38 AM
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Looks like that was a Gen II change in 2018.

https://ford.oemdtc.com/7173/2-7l-3-...7-ford-lincoln

https://www.melling.com/wp-content/u...l-pump-web.pdf
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Old Oct 17, 2021 | 05:41 AM
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Nascar and NHRA use engines that have belt driven oil pumps--as well as many other manufacturers have for years--do you really think this is something to be concerned with?
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Old Feb 4, 2022 | 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PolarisRich
Yes sir, the new truck does have a 5.0. Very happy to be getting back into the the naturally aspirated V8 segment of the F-150. The last 5.0 I had was a 16 and I was extremely happy with it. Like you said, it was bulletproof! Moved up to 2 different 3.5 then to a 2.7 in my current 19. Tomorrow into the new Five-O.
As for durability I really can't speak too much about it. Maybe in a few months from now I can give some information on my findings with my vehicle.
As for some of the standard issues like oil consumption I know that our engineers have been working diligently to tackle the issue and we've made several changes to help combat this issue. For example we've changed the ring pack for the Pistons to a new style that is a little more robust and steals better against the cross hatching in the cylinder walls. There are other changes but sadly I am not at Liberty to talk about at this time.
quick question if you don’t mind. As you can tell by my name, I’m only here for one reason lol. I just ordered a 2022 coyote F-150, and plan on fairly often trips to the drag strip with it. Now for my question..

do you think a tuned truck spinning up to around 7500-7800 RPM will cause the new belt driven oil pump to fail any quicker than the previous Gen setup?

I say this, because I plan on swapping out the stock intake manifold for a Boss which shines up until approximately 7800 RPM. From what I’ve been told, the new pumps are rated for 7000 RPM, whereas the older setups were rated at 7450. Also have been told the older valvetrain was rated for 7600, and the new Gen is only 7000 due to the VDE hardware.

I greatly appreciate any insight you might have. Thanks in advance!
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Old Feb 4, 2022 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 1320Superman
quick question if you don’t mind. As you can tell by my name, I’m only here for one reason lol. I just ordered a 2022 coyote F-150, and plan on fairly often trips to the drag strip with it. Now for my question..

do you think a tuned truck spinning up to around 7500-7800 RPM will cause the new belt driven oil pump to fail any quicker than the previous Gen setup?

I say this, because I plan on swapping out the stock intake manifold for a Boss which shines up until approximately 7800 RPM. From what I’ve been told, the new pumps are rated for 7000 RPM, whereas the older setups were rated at 7450. Also have been told the older valvetrain was rated for 7600, and the new Gen is only 7000 due to the VDE hardware.

I greatly appreciate any insight you might have. Thanks in advance!
Truthfully I would probably just leave the stock manifold other changes have been made to the current 5.0 truck engine since the Boss mustang. I actually had a 2012 Boss mustang it was rated at 444 HP back then and the truck version was 360. Just installing a Boss intake manifold on a coyote alone wont give you that difference there were other things internally that contributed to that increase. Just putting a Boss manifold and a tune is not going to net you enough increase to be even worth the trouble and money of doing it. The oil pump can definitely handle it though I wouldn’t worry about that. My bigger concern would be voiding warranty for minimal gains.
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Old Feb 4, 2022 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 21Leadfoot
Truthfully I would probably just leave the stock manifold other changes have been made to the current 5.0 truck engine since the Boss mustang. I actually had a 2012 Boss mustang it was rated at 444 HP back then and the truck version was 360. Just installing a Boss intake manifold on a coyote alone wont give you that difference there were other things internally that contributed to that increase. Just putting a Boss manifold and a tune is not going to net you enough increase to be even worth the trouble and money of doing it. The oil pump can definitely handle it though I wouldn’t worry about that. My bigger concern would be voiding warranty for minimal gains.
you obviously haven’t stayed in the coyote game, and that’s ok but you honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. A ported Boss manifold has proven gains throughout the powerband on any Gen F-150 engine. I’ve extensively modded multiple coyote powered vehicles before. None have ran slower than 10’s at the track.

This is my 5th coyote powered vehicle and I’ve ran ported Boss and cobra jet manifolds on all of them. Both manifolds shine after 7k RPM specifically though, so spinning the coyote to 7500-8000 is where you see the most benefit in a 1/4 mile run.
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Old Feb 4, 2022 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 1320Superman
you obviously haven’t stayed in the coyote game, and that’s ok but you honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. A ported Boss manifold has proven gains throughout the powerband on any Gen F-150 engine. I’ve extensively modded multiple coyote powered vehicles before. None have ran slower than 10’s at the track.

This is my 5th coyote powered vehicle and I’ve ran ported Boss and cobra jet manifolds on all of them. Both manifolds shine after 7k RPM specifically though, so spinning the coyote to 7500-8000 is where you see the most benefit in a 1/4 mile run.
I didn’t realize you were talking about drag racing the truck 😂. I thought you were just someone gonna bolt on a Boss manifold and a tune and expect a 44 ho increase. The stock manifolds have came a long way since 2012-13 so the difference has became less significant. Yeah I guess if you plan on running it regularly 7-8k rpm it would make sense to have a manifold that shines up there. But hell if I was gonna do that just put that money towards a supercharger and be done with it. I understand the 18+ intake to be as good or superior to the Boss intake

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Old Feb 4, 2022 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 21Leadfoot
I didn’t realize you were talking about drag racing the truck 😂. I thought you were just someone gonna bolt on a Boss manifold and a tune and expect a 44 ho increase. The stock manifolds have came a long way since 2012-13 so the difference has became less significant. Yeah I guess if you plan on running it regularly 7-8k rpm it would make sense to have a manifold that shines up there. But hell if I was gonna do that just put that money towards a supercharger and be done with it
a brand new Boss manifold costs a whopping $190 lol. I port them myself and the install isn’t bad at all aside from drilling a spot for the map sensor. I’m well aware that even a ported manifold doesn’t yield those kind of gains lol.

I’ll also be doing various other bolt on mods such as ported exhaust manifolds, custom ram air intake, 90mm throttle body a big stall converter, full Viking suspension with coil overs up front, traction bars & the list goes on. It’ll easily run 11’s without any boost when I’m done (and it’s a crew cab). All while maintaining perfect daily drivability and MPG, which is why I love the coyote platform.
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Old Feb 4, 2022 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 1320Superman
a brand new Boss manifold costs a whopping $190 lol. I port them myself and the install isn’t bad at all aside from drilling a spot for the map sensor. I’m well aware that even a ported manifold doesn’t yield those kind of gains lol.

I’ll also be doing various other bolt on mods such as ported exhaust manifolds, custom ram air intake, 90mm throttle body a big stall converter, full Viking suspension with coil overs up front, traction bars & the list goes on. It’ll easily run 11’s without any boost when I’m done (and it’s a crew cab). All while maintaining perfect daily drivability and MPG, which is why I love the coyote platform.
yeah it’s not hard to change the manifold for sure I have done plenty on mod motors if nothing else it will look really cool
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Old Feb 4, 2022 | 10:51 AM
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Honda OHC lawnmower engines drive the camshafts with a belt immersed in engine oil.
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Old Feb 4, 2022 | 12:41 PM
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Having had belt driven valvetrains for decades now, I'm not going to lose any sleep over this part. Bio (Belt in oil) pumps have been around for many more years than we have been aware in the US.

A primer on belt driven oil pumps
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