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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 09:54 AM
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The new belt driven oil pump design is stronger and more reliable than the direct drive off the crank oil pumps when more HP is added. The direct drive oil pumps are still being used on the Mustangs for now. I believe 2023 you will see the Mustang change over to belt driven oil pump. The new belt driven oil pump serves multiple functions now. It has been designed to act as a windage tray between oil pan and crank. It also eliminates the use of a separate pickup tube. The belt driven oil pump also helped in the redesign of the steel oil pan for 2021!
I believe pre 2021 both Roush and Ford recommend that when any horsepower additive is installed like the stage 1 to stage 3 and above supercharger kits that a high-flow high volume Billet oil pump be installed. The new OEM belt driven oil pump is a high volume hi flow. This new oil pump also assist in the cylinder deactivation with more lubrication to the cylinder heads, lash Adjusters and solenoids!
​​​​​​ Now personally I can't speak of the failure rates of the belts or pumps, but let me tell you, when you go into the dyno and watch the freeze-thaw durability testing you would be absolutely amazed at what these motors can do. The sound ain't half-bad either!
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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PolarisRich
The new belt driven oil pump design is stronger and more reliable than the direct drive off the crank oil pumps when more HP is added. The direct drive oil pumps are still being used on the Mustangs for now. I believe 2023 you will see the Mustang change over to belt driven oil pump. The new belt driven oil pump serves multiple functions now. It has been designed to act as a windage tray between oil pan and crank. It also eliminates the use of a separate pickup tube. The belt driven oil pump also helped in the redesign of the steel oil pan for 2021!
I believe pre 2021 both Roush and Ford recommend that when any horsepower additive is installed like the stage 1 to stage 3 and above supercharger kits that a high-flow high volume Billet oil pump be installed. The new OEM belt driven oil pump is a high volume hi flow. This new oil pump also assist in the cylinder deactivation with more lubrication to the cylinder heads, lash Adjusters and solenoids!
​​​​​​ Now personally I can't speak of the failure rates of the belts or pumps, but let me tell you, when you go into the dyno and watch the freeze-thaw durability testing you would be absolutely amazed at what these motors can do. The sound ain't half-bad either!
Speaking of sound, does this oil pump upgrade do anything to eliminate or reduce all the rattles and clangs that seem to be inherent in the design of the gen 3 Coyote?

And of course the next question is can it be retrofitted to a pre-2021 5.0L Coyote?
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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 10:46 AM
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The so-called rattles and clangs are just an inherent part of the motor! It really doesn't change any the typical Coyote sound.
​​​​​​ Retrofit is impossible due to the redesign of the block in 2021
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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 11:19 AM
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Just curious Rich, I see you have been a member since 2012 but yet you have a total of 4 posts in 9 years? Where have you been hiding?

BTW, most of those "typical Coyote sounds" were not present in the gen 1 and gen 2 Coyote. Those so-called rattles and clangs are the one thing that would keep me from buying another Coyote powered anything. If I could change anything about my '18 F-150 it would be those so-called and very embarrassing sounding rattles and clangs.
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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 11:52 AM
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Me, I'm more of a snowmobile and atv guy!
Honestly, forgot I was even a member here! Lol
I'm glad I found my way back!

As for the the noises of the coyote, they absolutely drive me bonkers. The VCT's, Cam Phaser and 16 fuel injectors (8 regular and 8 direct injected) are the worst offenders. I know it doesn't affect performance but it is a noisy design! As for a noises between generation it's kinda hard to compare when you keep adding new technology. The new 21 engine may look very similar to previous years from the outside but are very different on the inside.

Make that #5. LoL

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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 12:33 PM
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I'm also back because my new truck just came in and I pick it up tomorrow. I wanted to read up on what people are saying about the 2021's with the 5.0! That's when I came across this topic!



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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PolarisRich
I'm also back because my new truck just came in and I pick it up tomorrow. I wanted to read up on what people are saying about the 2021's with the 5.0! That's when I came across this topic!


Mine's pretty sweet so far, although I'm still in the first 1000 miles so not pushing it too much. The cylinder deactivation is pretty seamless but there's no dash icon to tell when the truck's operating on 4 cylinders. Any way to tell when the transition occurs?
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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PolarisRich
The new belt driven oil pump design is stronger and more reliable than the direct drive off the crank oil pumps when more HP is added. The direct drive oil pumps are still being used on the Mustangs for now. I believe 2023 you will see the Mustang change over to belt driven oil pump. The new belt driven oil pump serves multiple functions now. It has been designed to act as a windage tray between oil pan and crank. It also eliminates the use of a separate pickup tube. The belt driven oil pump also helped in the redesign of the steel oil pan for 2021!
I believe pre 2021 both Roush and Ford recommend that when any horsepower additive is installed like the stage 1 to stage 3 and above supercharger kits that a high-flow high volume Billet oil pump be installed. The new OEM belt driven oil pump is a high volume hi flow. This new oil pump also assist in the cylinder deactivation with more lubrication to the cylinder heads, lash Adjusters and solenoids!
​​​​​​ Now personally I can't speak of the failure rates of the belts or pumps, but let me tell you, when you go into the dyno and watch the freeze-thaw durability testing you would be absolutely amazed at what these motors can do. The sound ain't half-bad either!
Rich, presumably the new truck you just bought is a 5.0? I love the Coyote in my 2011. Bulletproof for all of the 242,000 miles now on the clock. Considering a new F150, but given the issues with more recent Coyote iterations, I'm wary. You mentioned that though the outside looks similar, the 2021 Coyote is quite different on the inside. Bottom line: what are your thoughts on reliability? As good as my generation? Issues of recent 5.0 iterations solved?
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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 05:39 PM
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Yes sir, the new truck does have a 5.0. Very happy to be getting back into the the naturally aspirated V8 segment of the F-150. The last 5.0 I had was a 16 and I was extremely happy with it. Like you said, it was bulletproof! Moved up to 2 different 3.5 then to a 2.7 in my current 19. Tomorrow into the new Five-O.
As for durability I really can't speak too much about it. Maybe in a few months from now I can give some information on my findings with my vehicle.
As for some of the standard issues like oil consumption I know that our engineers have been working diligently to tackle the issue and we've made several changes to help combat this issue. For example we've changed the ring pack for the Pistons to a new style that is a little more robust and steals better against the cross hatching in the cylinder walls. There are other changes but sadly I am not at Liberty to talk about at this time.
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Old Mar 11, 2021 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PolarisRich
Yes sir, the new truck does have a 5.0. Very happy to be getting back into the the naturally aspirated V8 segment of the F-150. The last 5.0 I had was a 16 and I was extremely happy with it. Like you said, it was bulletproof! Moved up to 2 different 3.5 then to a 2.7 in my current 19. Tomorrow into the new Five-O.
As for durability I really can't speak too much about it. Maybe in a few months from now I can give some information on my findings with my vehicle.
As for some of the standard issues like oil consumption I know that our engineers have been working diligently to tackle the issue and we've made several changes to help combat this issue. For example we've changed the ring pack for the Pistons to a new style that is a little more robust and steals better against the cross hatching in the cylinder walls. There are other changes but sadly I am not at Liberty to talk about at this time.
Dang, so i got ****ed. They made all these changes and they didn't work out and now their fixing them while I paid for a truck that is flawed. **** me.
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