Yeah the base Lariat with the Powerboost really isn't too bad. It's the same price as a base model 2023 with 4x4 and powerboost, plus you get the projectors without having to go to 502A. I'm sure there are a few other things you get that were options on the 2023's too. Though that ignores the fact that 65k for a base 4x4 lariat SC is stupid expensive.

 

I really don't understand what Ford is doing. The 3.3 may not have been popular with consumers but it was with fleets and Ford is #1 in fleets. How many fleet managers want turbos? My guess is not many.

The new tailgate is the worst of the dual openers. It doesn't open fully across and being split in two places means it's probably the heaviest.

I'm not surprised so many here can't seem to option a new one like they want. That's what happens when you reduce configurations by a whopping 90%. That means 90% of those who previously got exactly what they wanted will either be paying for stuff they don't want or going without what they do want.

This design is also very long in the tooth. The overall slab-sided boxy design language dates back 20 years, this version of it to 2015. Looks are subjective of course, but to my eyes this is easily the most conservative and dated looking pickup in the market. Slapping on new lights and bigger screens doesn't change that and I'd argue makes for a less cohesive look.

What I haven't seen is whether or not you can finally get 4A in an XLT. That's another area Ford has been lagging for years. I won't buy another pickup without that, there is simply no reason to.

No tow package with the 2.7 is downright asinine. The 2.7 is easily what I like best about my current truck. No other manufacturer can match its combination of economy and power. No tow package is no deal.

Ford's quality has been crap for a while now, even the executives have admitted that, so that isn't going to sell trucks. Even if they have improved it it will take several years before anybody really knows and several more years after that for the reputation to change.

If Ford is going to maintain the #1 sales position, they are going to have to do it with deep incentives IMO.

I already had little interest in a new full size truck with today's prices. This doesn't change that. My kids will start leaving the house in less than 2 years. I'll probably either downsize or run my '18 into the ground. Unless the market changes it will be my last full size and likely my last Ford.

 

I'll never understand this whole "turbos are complicated and unreliable" mentality. Every 18 wheeler on the road has turbos.

 

Diesel turbos are bigger, heavier and run at lower RPMs...so comparing reliability to gas turbos isn't apples to apples. For the same torque and HP, I'd rather have the V8 without turbos than a V6 with turbos.

 

I just built a 2024 online, BAP Lariat powerboost (502a) and it is 7800 more then my 2023 for the exact same truck... only difference is mine has power boards and the 2024 has none but heads up display and blue cruise, not sure that justifies a 7800 dollar price jump.

 

The torque is not the same though. Low end torque is much better with a turbo which is why I love my 2.7. But I still agree that comparing it to a 3,000 pound Cummins that is governed at 2000 RPM is apples to oranges.

The 2.7 is not unreliable by any means, but the 3.3 was cheaper to buy and to maintain.

 

So after the debut the XLT grille is worse than I thought, not a fan at all of the chrome bumper and black surround on the grille.

 

In the past 10-12 years...

How many owners have had problems with turbos?
From what I have seen...very few!

Given how much people love to complain about everything/anything, I'm sure there would be a lot more chatter on here if the turbos were in fact an issue.

 

Y’all caught that using your 360 cameras will require a subscription right?

 

Yea...a 502A doesn't really make sense anymore. I built a KR PB and with all the added standard stuff it was only 3600 more than the sticker on my '22 501A.