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Old Dec 19, 2022 | 10:11 AM
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Also Consumer Reports ranked the F150 Powerboost as least reliable. Scoring it 4 out of 100
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Old Dec 19, 2022 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ttnuagmada
There is nothing level headed about accepting an obvious, basic design flaw in a $60K Truck.
What your missing is you are in a minority now. Ford cares about new buyers and the majority want all these electric features. High trim trucks are huge profit makers for them. A "design flaw" in your opinion isn't a priority for them. Selling new high trim trucks in increasing numbers is. Quit badgering forum members and call Ford and bitch there. Or buy an older truck with less features/electric options and be happy again.
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Old Dec 19, 2022 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by KTM753
What your missing is you are in a minority now. Ford cares about new buyers and the majority want all these electric features. High trim trucks are huge profit makers for them. A "design flaw" in your opinion isn't a priority for them. Selling new high trim trucks in increasing numbers is. Quit badgering forum members and call Ford and bitch there. Or buy an older truck with less features/electric options and be happy again.
So new features means Ford can't spec a truck with the right sized alternator? There's a thread a week that gets made about this issue. This has absolutely nothing to do with the features that were added, and everything to do with how Ford designed their charging system to handle it. This isn't some huge unsurmountable problem. This was a simple, poor design choice that could easily be rectified.

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Old Dec 19, 2022 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BadHabit
My truck works fine, I'm not "bending over and taking" anything.


So, design it to meet your needs and not the needs of the majority? Got it.
Not to continue arguing, but there are enough threads in this forum to show that it's more than just outliers.

I mean I'm not burning through a tank of gas a week, but I do drive daily and put 100-150 miles per week on it. It's not like this thing sits in my driveway for days at a time. There aren't GM and Ram owners having this issue. The dealership certainly wasn't surprised when i mentioned it to them.
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Old Dec 19, 2022 | 11:05 AM
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Happy Holidays guys.


This thread closing is brought to you by name calling and personal attacks.

Please recall the holiday season and try to be nice to one another.

I will reopen it once I am done with chatting with the offenders
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Old Dec 19, 2022 | 11:20 AM
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Reopening thread. Please be more respectful of your fellow forum members.

Argue and disagree but please keep insults and etc out of it.

Happy Holidays
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Old Dec 19, 2022 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Archangel72
Reopening thread. Please be more respectful of your fellow forum members.

Argue and disagree but please keep insults and etc out of it.

Happy Holidays
Nice reminder.

I was on another forum last week when somebody started a thread about decorating vehicles for the holiday.
One member came on hating on Christmas. Another member offered what they do for decorations and to keep their car-seat kid entertained and the person commented back that he is a bad parent for having to resort to toys as entertainment while driving.
The thread was closed within an hour.

Arguing is one thing but people tend to forget manners. I'd like to meet one person who would walk up to a person and tell them they are a bad parent.
Some disrespect isn't recognized by the offender, but outright calling somebody a bad parent on purpose -there is no way that wasn't assumed to be okay. ha
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Old Dec 19, 2022 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by KTM753
I had a long drawn out post typed up defending engineers because marketing probably wanted all the electric features but it probably wouldn't land well.
People love to hate engineers, but without them, we wouldn't nearly as much cool technology as we have today (in every aspect of life, not just cars). People forget that engineers aren't perfect, but more importantly, engineers usually don't have the final say in anything, ESPECIALLY when it comes to cost.

I can't count the number of times I've had a conversation that goes something like this:

me: hey this is the solution I have.
bean counters: this costs too much, how can we bring down the cost?
me: well we have ABC and XYZ, for full functionality we need ABC and X
bean counter: can we get away with just A
me: absolutely not, best I can do is ABC
bean counter: you have the funding for AB make it work
me: with only AB it will likely malfunction and be an inferior product we need at least AB and half of C, but it could still have issues
bean counter: fine, you can have AB and half of C
customer: WTF were the engineers thinking when they built it this was?
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Old Dec 19, 2022 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dolsen
People love to hate engineers, but without them, we wouldn't nearly as much cool technology as we have today (in every aspect of life, not just cars). People forget that engineers aren't perfect, but more importantly, engineers usually don't have the final say in anything, ESPECIALLY when it comes to cost.

I can't count the number of times I've had a conversation that goes something like this:

me: hey this is the solution I have.
bean counters: this costs too much, how can we bring down the cost?
me: well we have ABC and XYZ, for full functionality we need ABC and X
bean counter: can we get away with just A
me: absolutely not, best I can do is ABC
bean counter: you have the funding for AB make it work
me: with only AB it will likely malfunction and be an inferior product we need at least AB and half of C, but it could still have issues
bean counter: fine, you can have AB and half of C
customer: WTF were the engineers thinking when they built it this was?
Exactly what I encounter everyday in my job. And what I speculate Ford Engineers run up against as well. I will add that amount of software staff/resources is always the limiting factor in getting anything done on time and thus you only get AB instead of ABC. I won't belabor this more, but it's real and get worse as systems get more complex.

I have sympathy if your new F-150 doesn't charge the battery enough and you're upset about it. Seems like a huge miss on Ford's part. But, see above.

One way I know that I can attempt to mitigate this issue myself is to change that battery charge to percentage using Forscan. From factory it's 80%. I changed mine to 90%. With negative 10 degrees Fahrenheit temps here end of the week, I am bumping it to 95+%. You can do the same and I assume if you don't drive a lot now and have issues, bumping the % up from 80 might help.

I know the next response will be, "I shouldn't have to..." and I agree. But look at your options. Dealer and Ford options are weeks if not months out for a fix. Get a OBDII cable, Forscan software and advanced license, and up the charge threshold. Take satisfaction in fixing yourself.

I have been trying to think of an analogy for this. Best I can come up with is this. 20+ years ago you could swap in an alternator from a heavy duty application (1 ton) and get better charging. But that alternator was dumb (basic on/off control). Today Forscan is that swap. Your only option is to tweak software settings to get higher charge rate. OEM software controls everything and as you are experiencing, it's not great. So I choose to find a way to adjust it to suit my application. You may choose to not do that. But your missing out on a simple DIY solution to this problem. Good luck getting help from your dealer of Ford in a timely fashion.

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Old Dec 19, 2022 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dolsen
People love to hate engineers, but without them, we wouldn't nearly as much cool technology as we have today (in every aspect of life, not just cars). People forget that engineers aren't perfect, but more importantly, engineers usually don't have the final say in anything, ESPECIALLY when it comes to cost.

I can't count the number of times I've had a conversation that goes something like this:

me: hey this is the solution I have.
bean counters: this costs too much, how can we bring down the cost?
me: well we have ABC and XYZ, for full functionality we need ABC and X
bean counter: can we get away with just A
me: absolutely not, best I can do is ABC
bean counter: you have the funding for AB make it work
me: with only AB it will likely malfunction and be an inferior product we need at least AB and half of C, but it could still have issues
bean counter: i am okay not to exceed a 4% failure rate. your budget is AB. We discussed this too long, your time period is now reduced to save budget.
bean counter: fine, you can have AB and half of C
customer: WTF were the engineers thinking when they built it this was?
I updated your conversation
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