For the longest, I've always seen/heard people the worst things about Dodge. Are dodges really that bad?

 

They will all have issues but I find GM and Dodge will nickel and dime you to death as they get old. At work we have trucks from all of them and overall the Fords hold up better. We recently junked an old Excursion and even though it was almost 20 years old the seats, dash and controls were all still solid. Buttons still clicked, shifter still had positive detents and all the gauges worked. The GMs all have cracked dashes, buttons with no labels and my department’s Suburban’s headlight switch fell out the dash. The Dodges have controls that don’t feel like they’re connected to anything. You have to literally look at the ***** to see where they’re pointed because you can’t feel when they are in position. You have to look at the gear indicator because you can’t feel the detents in the shifter.

Overall the GM trucks literally start falling apart but they’re cheap to fix. Problem is you’re going to be constantly fixing little things.

 

Buying a Toyota us pretty much like buying a refrigerator. You buy it, bring it home, fill it with food, and never really think about it again. Have never owned one. Could never get over the personality v. price ratio.

 

haha! I love a good tundra bashing!!!

 

From someone that made the switch to a Tundra two years ago, that is exactly how it is! The Tundra is no one’s first choice. Unfortunately for many Tundra owners it took a really bad experience with one of the big 3 to convince them it is worth it to switch to a truck that is good enough and won’t leave you stranded. There are some really crazy stories that became the last straw for some like auto stop/start engaging while crossing major intersections, oil leaks not being resolved after 5th plastic oil pan replaced, etc. At this point they all make good trucks and put out lemons. It is the dealership after sales support that varies considerably by dealer. If you find a good one they take care of you and for some a negative experience causes them to write a brand off for life.

 

Zombie thread!

I tell people all the time to go look at the competitors forums.

It shows how numbers work.

If FOMOCO sells 400,000 F-Series pickups, there will be a percentage of problems.

And we hear about them here. The vast majority of owners have few if any problems and we never hear about those.

Yes, when I get rear-ended $1800 to replace a steering rack I complain as loud as anybody, because in my old school mind it should be a $100 repair to replace a power steering pump.

Just the way it is.

 

You clearly haven't bought a refrigerator in a while, they wish they were as reliable as a Toyota.

Toyota's reputation for reliability is because they don't embrace new technology, when they have something that works they stick with it. The Tundra is basically the same truck today as it was when it came out in 2007. There are no bugs to work out, it's been perfected. The bad side is it feels like a dinosaur technology wise. I have a Camry that I use for work, a 2016 just like my truck. The truck, technology wise, is far more advanced than the Camry. In the truck the bluetooth connects instantly and voice commands are prompt and natural. In the car it takes at least 10-15 seconds for the phone to connect. Doesn't sound like much time but when you're used to phone calls being transferred to the truck immediately after startup it's noticeable. And the Camry's voice recognition system is painfully slow to the point that it's quicker for me to use Siri to call somebody vs using the car's system.

I've had my truck 4 years now and other than one warranty repair it's been Toyota reliable. I've only had the Camry for a year but I would be surprised if it gave me any trouble.

 

Toyota’s are great vehicles, I’ve had a few of their cars and they’re a reliable as advertised. I opted for the F-150 though vs a Tundra for three reasons: I think the F-150 looks better, the Tundra’s abysmal fuel economy, and Toyota dealers’ unwillingness to give you any kind of a rebate. If they give you $500 cash back they act like the just donated one of their kidneys to you.

 

My intent wasn't meant to bash Toyota, it was meant as a back handed compliment. Toyota makes excellent, solid and reliable vehicles. That said, IMO, about as exciting as bringing a new fridge home. Being the #1/#2 auto manufacturer in the world, is evidence that a lot of people like that refrigerator excitement.

 

lol @ %.4L being awesome. I had a 2007 5.4 for 8 years 120K miles and after putting 96k on a '16 and now 63K on a '18 I can easily say the 2.7L is twice the engine the 5.4L was.