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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 05:28 PM
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If you lose, does the maker pay the lawyer or you?? In Indiana, you pay lawyer if you lose.

I know the lemon law in Indiana is useless. Consumer comes out better most of the time trading. BTW, if you get good discounts, your trade valve won't be a lot less. Going by my usual source for trade in value (which can be lower than I usually get), my truck would lose ~$4,000 from what I paid. That's equal to 4,000 miles by Indiana's Lemon Law Standards. If the vehicle has anything more than 4000 miles, it would probably be less stressful and easier to just trade it. See here. Another reason why it's important not to overpay for your vehicle.

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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Up
If you lose, does the maker pay the lawyer or you?? In Indiana, you pay lawyer if you lose.

I know the lemon law in Indiana is useless. Consumer comes out better most of the time trading. BTW, if you get good discounts, your trade valve won't be a lot less. Going by my usual source for trade in value (which can be lower than I usually get), my truck would lose ~$4,000 from what I paid. That's equal to 4,000 miles by Indiana's Lemon Law Standards. If the vehicle has anything more than 4000 miles, it would probably be less stressful and easier to just trade it. See here. Another reason why it's important not to overpay for your vehicle.

"Bob Silverman notes that any good lemon law firm works on the "fee-shifting" basis; that is, if you win your case the court typically orders the defendant (the carmaker) to pay your legal fees. And if you lose, you shouldn't have to pay the lawyer anything. "



"The good news about Consumer Protection Law, such as The Lemon Law, The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, is that it allows the consumers attorney's fees and cost to be covered under the law. So, in trying to help get your case resolved as fast as possible our firm will pay for an outside expert to come to your home or place of business, inspect your vehicle, draft a report as to what's wrong with the car, that can be used in settlement negotiations or in court. Again, that's at no cost to the consumer. We cover that 100%


  • The Lemon Law allows for the recovery of your attorney fees from the manufacturer.

  • The firm will cover all your costs and expenses – you will not be responsible for them.

  • You are not responsible for your attorney fees if we do not recover anything.

  • We will provide this in writing to you.


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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by IAJack
The truck has 5K miles on it, but it was a dealer demo with 4K when I bought it, so I have only put 1K miles on it. I would probably get bent over even worse by trading it in with the miles on it and the current issue.
With 5K already on it, Indiana would consider 5% of it's life used up so you would only get 95% of what you paid. On my vehicle with a trade loss of only about $4K, I'd be better trading it.
Old Mar 21, 2020 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Truck22
"Bob Silverman notes that any good lemon law firm works on the "fee-shifting" basis; that is, if you win your case the court typically orders the defendant (the carmaker) to pay your legal fees. And if you lose, you shouldn't have to pay the lawyer anything. "



"The good news about Consumer Protection Law, such as The Lemon Law, The Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, is that it allows the consumers attorney's fees and cost to be covered under the law. So, in trying to help get your case resolved as fast as possible our firm will pay for an outside expert to come to your home or place of business, inspect your vehicle, draft a report as to what's wrong with the car, that can be used in settlement negotiations or in court. Again, that's at no cost to the consumer. We cover that 100%
  • The Lemon Law allows for the recovery of your attorney fees from the manufacturer.
  • The firm will cover all your costs and expenses – you will not be responsible for them.
  • You are not responsible for your attorney fees if we do not recover anything.
  • We will provide this in writing to you.
Maybe from that "1" Lawyer in "New York" as his state is Arizona. Don't think a New York lawyer can represent in Arizona unless he's licensed to do so. The link I posted, that attorney clearly states you have to "prevail" in your case.

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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Up
Maybe from that "1" Lawyer but as the link I posted, that attorney clearly states you have to "prevail" in your case.

This was my original post on this thread:

"Don't be afraid of contacting a lawyer based on wasting money. A lot of state laws make it so the consumer (you) pays ZERO for a lemon law lawyer. If they are successful in your case, they are paid directly from the vehicle manufacturer (Ford)"


Notice I said "A lot of state laws" never claimed it was all.


The guy that said my advice was "stupid" said..

"And the above advice is stupid. No attorney is going to take a lemon law case on contingency"

This is simply NOT TRUE. And unnecessary to call my advice "stupid" when all I was trying to do was offer the OP some options

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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Truck22
You are 1000% WRONG. I'm going thru it now. Not 1 PENNY out of pocket. My consultation was absolutely free. All services involved from the lawyer are absolutely free. The lawyer is paid directly from the manufacture. Stop spreading BS if you don't know what you're talking about. So your advice is "stupid", not mine.
You might find a few ambulance chasing lawyers to take the case on contingency but I suspect they take 1 out of 20 cases that they get calls about, if that. Lemon laws specify attorney fees are recoverable so if the case is rock solid, they'd take it. The OPs case is not one they are going to take on contingency. Where'd you get what you posted on some lawyer's website? These guys are good I'll give you that in that at least you get "free" advice on whether you have an open/shut lemon law case.
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Originally Posted by FordGate
You might find a few ambulance chasing lawyers to take the case on contingency but I suspect they take 1 out of 20 cases that they get calls about, if that. Lemon laws specify attorney fees are recoverable so if the case is rock solid, they'd take it. The OPs case is not one they are going to take on contingency. Where'd you get what you posted on some lawyer's website? These guys are good I'll give you that in that at least you get "free" advice on whether you have an open/shut lemon law case.
That's not how it works in a lot of states. I don't know why my advice was stupid to you. In my state, you don't pay a penny for a lemon law attorney, doesn't matter if you win, lose, whatever. Not a penny for a consult, not a penny to retain, not a penny (win or lose) when it's over.
Old Mar 21, 2020 | 08:05 PM
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Wow, I haven't started a **** storm for a while, not even with my wife

I am actually far from going the lemon law route. IF Ford cannot fix it, then I would be pleased if they would replace it which from my understanding is MSRP to MSRP? It looks like the BBB also handles lemon law issues and works with manufacturers according to some posts on here but I have no idea how effective they are or if they carry any weight.

I did call Ford customer service and they are going to have a CSR call or contact me. I only want to make them aware of the issue in case it cannot be fixed and ask if they want me to try a different dealer to have it looked at. The dealer I am going through has been good about it except for breaking my windshield cowl, but they since fixed that. I have no reason to yell at anyone over this yet.

Old Mar 21, 2020 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Truck22
This was my original post on this thread:

"Don't be afraid of contacting a lawyer based on wasting money. A lot of state laws make it so the consumer (you) pays ZERO for a lemon law lawyer. If they are successful in your case, they are paid directly from the vehicle manufacturer (Ford)"


Notice I said "A lot of state laws" never claimed it was all.


The guy that said my advice was "stupid" said..

"And the above advice is stupid. No attorney is going to take a lemon law case on contingency"

This is simply NOT TRUE. And unnecessary to call my advice "stupid" when all I was trying to do was offer the OP some options
Since I never said that to you and someone else did, then why did you reply to my post at all about a New York Lawyer when he lives in Arizona??
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