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Stage 3 offers a warranty package for their 5 Star tunes. I went with the 5 year 60k mile for mine.
Having said that, tuning your engine does not automatically void your entire warranty. Firstly the failure has to be related to the tune; they cannot deny you warranty on your power mirror for example because your truck is tuned. Secondly the onus is on Ford to prove that the tune was the cause of the failure. Of course guys have blown their engines but they were likely running very aggressive tunes. The ones you'll get from most reputable companies err on the cautious side.
I wanted the peace of mind so I spent the five hundred bucks with Stage 3 for the warranty. Cheap insurance.
Having said that, tuning your engine does not automatically void your entire warranty. Firstly the failure has to be related to the tune; they cannot deny you warranty on your power mirror for example because your truck is tuned. Secondly the onus is on Ford to prove that the tune was the cause of the failure. Of course guys have blown their engines but they were likely running very aggressive tunes. The ones you'll get from most reputable companies err on the cautious side.
I wanted the peace of mind so I spent the five hundred bucks with Stage 3 for the warranty. Cheap insurance.
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I could roast my tires off of the '16 5.0 just from stepping on the throttle without any brake torquing if I wanted. The 2012 5.0L would leave a nice long patch, if I let it go. The 2010 5.4L would leave a nice smaller patch, not near the off-the-line power of the 5.0Ls though.
Of course, tires are expensive so this isn't done but once or twice to see what it can do.
The 3.5L Ecoboost testers I drove, didn't have off-the-line power to leave a patch. They would roll out slowly, drop the boost in late and hard, and bark the tires under much more throttle than the 5.0L. The earlier 3.5L Ecoboosts had wheel hop after the bark also.
BUT the 3.5L Ecoboost did this because it didn't have enough exhaust to provide the boost until you gave it lots of throttle. Normal.
I use to get wheel hop with the 2010 5.4L when the traction control seemed to fight with the limited slip differential on occasion. The 5.0L never had wheel hop.
Not quite sure why the ealier Ecoboosts had such bad wheel hop, the later 2016 Ecoboost didn't have wheel hop just a quick, short bark.
Of course, tires are expensive so this isn't done but once or twice to see what it can do.
The 3.5L Ecoboost testers I drove, didn't have off-the-line power to leave a patch. They would roll out slowly, drop the boost in late and hard, and bark the tires under much more throttle than the 5.0L. The earlier 3.5L Ecoboosts had wheel hop after the bark also.
BUT the 3.5L Ecoboost did this because it didn't have enough exhaust to provide the boost until you gave it lots of throttle. Normal.
I use to get wheel hop with the 2010 5.4L when the traction control seemed to fight with the limited slip differential on occasion. The 5.0L never had wheel hop.
Not quite sure why the ealier Ecoboosts had such bad wheel hop, the later 2016 Ecoboost didn't have wheel hop just a quick, short bark.
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Stage 3 offers a warranty package for their 5 Star tunes. I went with the 5 year 60k mile for mine.
Having said that, tuning your engine does not automatically void your entire warranty. Firstly the failure has to be related to the tune; they cannot deny you warranty on your power mirror for example because your truck is tuned. Secondly the onus is on Ford to prove that the tune was the cause of the failure. Of course guys have blown their engines but they were likely running very aggressive tunes. The ones you'll get from most reputable companies err on the cautious side.
I wanted the peace of mind so I spent the five hundred bucks with Stage 3 for the warranty. Cheap insurance.
Having said that, tuning your engine does not automatically void your entire warranty. Firstly the failure has to be related to the tune; they cannot deny you warranty on your power mirror for example because your truck is tuned. Secondly the onus is on Ford to prove that the tune was the cause of the failure. Of course guys have blown their engines but they were likely running very aggressive tunes. The ones you'll get from most reputable companies err on the cautious side.
I wanted the peace of mind so I spent the five hundred bucks with Stage 3 for the warranty. Cheap insurance.
Yeh, our new Fusion feels pretty fast as well with the 2.0L Ecoboost. It has the same torque peak and Hp peak as the 2015 2.7L Ecoboost.
In fact, I did some Hp and torque to weight calculations and found that 3 have nearly the same within 5 hp or 5 ft-lbs torque.
That being a 2016 Lariat Scab 4WD 2.7L Ecoboost at around 5100 lbs with 325 HP and 375 ft-lbs torque, our 2017 Fusion SE FWD 2.0L Ecoboost at 3800 lbs with 245 HP and 275 ft-lbs torque, and a 2013 F150 XLT 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost at 5770 lbs with 365 Hp and 420 ft-lbs torque.
All should be right around 6.5 sec 0 - 60mph and 15.0 sec to the 1/4 mile looking at Motor Trend test times. Gearing may change that by a tenth second or so. Just a few tenths slower than my '16 F150 5.0L Screw 4WD.
In fact, I did some Hp and torque to weight calculations and found that 3 have nearly the same within 5 hp or 5 ft-lbs torque.
That being a 2016 Lariat Scab 4WD 2.7L Ecoboost at around 5100 lbs with 325 HP and 375 ft-lbs torque, our 2017 Fusion SE FWD 2.0L Ecoboost at 3800 lbs with 245 HP and 275 ft-lbs torque, and a 2013 F150 XLT 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost at 5770 lbs with 365 Hp and 420 ft-lbs torque.
All should be right around 6.5 sec 0 - 60mph and 15.0 sec to the 1/4 mile looking at Motor Trend test times. Gearing may change that by a tenth second or so. Just a few tenths slower than my '16 F150 5.0L Screw 4WD.
The 5.0 is a great motor, it just doesn't mean it's the fastest. Apples to Apples or Apples to Oranges.
FWIW, I can spin my wheels for as far and long as I mash the pedal in 3rd gear from a stop or moving. Proves nothing, same as your post about tire roasting.
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Last edited by idrive; Apr 16, 2017 at 05:58 PM.
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Thanks for editing our post. Still forgot to change the part about being slower than your 5.0
The 5.0 is a great motor, it just doesn't mean it's the fastest. Apples to Apples or Apples to Oranges.
FWIW, I can spin my wheels for as far and long as I mash the pedal in 3rd gear from a stop or moving. Proves nothing, same as your post about tire roasting.
The 5.0 is a great motor, it just doesn't mean it's the fastest. Apples to Apples or Apples to Oranges.
FWIW, I can spin my wheels for as far and long as I mash the pedal in 3rd gear from a stop or moving. Proves nothing, same as your post about tire roasting.
Even at the 2011 - 2014 3.5L ecoboosts best, it was only .4 second quicker than the 5.0L according to Motor Trend.
Then the 5.0L got an additional 25 horsepower for 2015 which is HUGE, while the 3.5L for 2015/2016 was unchanged.
Only now in 2017 has the entire 3.5L ecoboost drivetrain changed yet according to Motor Trend, it's 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times are the same and no faster than the 2015/2016 1st Generation 3.5L Ecoboost.
2.7L is behind both the 3.5L Ecoboost and 5.0L in power and torque, of course it's going to perform worse than either the 5.0L and 3.5L Ecoboost.
As far as adjusting, I decided to follow Motor Trend's 'typical' .2 sec slower times over Car and Driver to make things more apples to apples and to site their 2015 actual test times to the 2.7L
BTW, happy Easter!
Last edited by Mike Up; Apr 16, 2017 at 10:32 AM.
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The 3 are slower, by a good margin. There's no denying that.
Even at the 2011 - 2014 3.5L ecoboosts best, it was only .4 second quicker than the 5.0L according to Motor Trend.
Then the 5.0L got an additional 25 horsepower for 2015 which is HUGE, while the 3.5L for 2015/2016 was unchanged.
Only now in 2017 has the entire 3.5L ecoboost drivetrain changed yet according to Motor Trend, it's 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times are the same and no faster than the 2015/2016 1st Generation 3.5L Ecoboost.
2.7L is behind both the 3.5L Ecoboost and 5.0L in power and torque, of course it's going to perform worse than either the 5.0L and 3.5L Ecoboost.
As far as adjusting, I decided to follow Motor Trend's 'typical' .2 sec slower times over Car and Driver to make things more apples to apples and to site their 2015 actual test times to the 2.7L
BTW, happy Easter!
Even at the 2011 - 2014 3.5L ecoboosts best, it was only .4 second quicker than the 5.0L according to Motor Trend.
Then the 5.0L got an additional 25 horsepower for 2015 which is HUGE, while the 3.5L for 2015/2016 was unchanged.
Only now in 2017 has the entire 3.5L ecoboost drivetrain changed yet according to Motor Trend, it's 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times are the same and no faster than the 2015/2016 1st Generation 3.5L Ecoboost.
2.7L is behind both the 3.5L Ecoboost and 5.0L in power and torque, of course it's going to perform worse than either the 5.0L and 3.5L Ecoboost.
As far as adjusting, I decided to follow Motor Trend's 'typical' .2 sec slower times over Car and Driver to make things more apples to apples and to site their 2015 actual test times to the 2.7L
BTW, happy Easter!
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Mike up is right. I don't know why anyone would be surprised that an engine with more hp and torque would be faster. The quickest stock 2015+ f-150's that I've seen have been powered by the 5.0. The 450 hp raptor appears to be neck and neck, but the 5.0 pulls a little more mph on the big end.
That said, I'm sure you could find a gear and weight combo that would give the turbo engines an advantage.
That said, I'm sure you could find a gear and weight combo that would give the turbo engines an advantage.
Mike up is right. I don't know why anyone would be surprised that an engine with more hp and torque would be faster. The quickest stock 2015+ f-150's that I've seen have been powered by the 5.0. The 450 hp raptor appears to be neck and neck, but the 5.0 pulls a little more mph on the big end.
That said, I'm sure you could find a gear and weight combo that would give the turbo engines an advantage.
That said, I'm sure you could find a gear and weight combo that would give the turbo engines an advantage.
How the power is delivered, gears and driver are more of an influence when it comes to 0-60 or the 1/4 mile. Towing would also be included in the mix.
The fastest F150's, 2015+ on this forum have not been the 5.0.
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By your logic the Raptor would be much faster as it has more HP and TQ.
How the power is delivered, gears and driver are more of an influence when it comes to 0-60 or the 1/4 mile. Towing would also be included in the mix.
The fastest F150's, 2015+ on this forum have not been the 5.0.
How the power is delivered, gears and driver are more of an influence when it comes to 0-60 or the 1/4 mile. Towing would also be included in the mix.
The fastest F150's, 2015+ on this forum have not been the 5.0.
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Great program for Stage 3 because I'm fairly certain they're confident they'll have to pay out very few claims. While my tune made a difference it's not mind blowing and stays within parameters that are highly unlikely to do any damage. However, the $500 was worth it to me for the just-in-case.