I've told you the answer. They're all in your door jamb. The max tow rating and GCWR are in the towing guide. The max hitch rating (conventional) is on a sticker underneath it. That's all you need to know. Don't listen to a salesman, nor someone answering a phone and reading answers off of a computer. You already have all the information you need.

 

The problem is you are looking at theoretical numbers and not seeing the advantage that exists in the real world. The max tow truck is MUCH more likely to be limited by payload than the HDPP truck is once you factor in passengers and other gear/add-ons.

If you have a bone stock truck with nothing added to it and only the driver, you *might* get to the rated tow capacity without exceeding any of the other pertinent numbers.

Once you get into the real world and load your wife, 2.5 kids, dog, tools and whatnot under the seat, the max tow truck probably is not getting anywhere near the 'rated' tow weight without being over GVWR or GAWR. The HDPP truck on the other hand might have room to spare.

I do agree though that for a consumer trying to purchase a truck that will meet their needs without exceeding weight ratings, it can be confusing. You think we have it bad, try telling a Ram owner that he can only tow a 4,000lb TT before exceeding his GVWR...sadly that is often the case since their half-ton payload is pathetic...yet their tow rating is right up there with everyone else.

 

Please, they knowingly exceed capacity and make up excuses about Ram being conservative on their GVWR and what not. It was so dumb on the Ecodiesel forum. Their "can I tow this threads" consisted of people saying yeah absolutely, ignore the numbers.

 

To be honest there's plenty of people on this forum as well in the 2015+ section. They just refuse to listen to reason or accept what the numbers mean, and have convinced themselves that if one configuration can tow it, then that means all of them can...

 

RAM gets away with it because they directly state that “payload and max trailer weight rating are mutually exclusive” meaning you can’t have both at the same time. This pretty much holds true for the way all manufactures give tow weight ratings now days.

 

So in effect they're saying "This is how much it could tow, if only it could handle the pin weight that goes along with the load". Wonderful, nothing like truth in advertising huh?
Pretty soon we're all going to need 350's to haul bicycles and groceries.

 

The towing war between manufacturers have taken there.

 

least educated quote ever half tonnes are more capable then ever just need to do your own homework and not trust the sales rep

 

I think you need to reread what Perry B is saying, nothing uneducated about it sir.

 

90% of consumers don't do their homework.
Jimbob wants a 5er. A 30' 5er toyhauler to haul around his golf cart or side-by-side. But he doesn't want to spend F250 money.

So he goes out and buys a 10,000lb dry weight 5er. "Oh, look, the F150 can tow 11,000 lbs! We're good, i'll get that."

This is what happens.

Or, Jerry has a 35' TT, 10,000lb dry weight. Massive TT. But he doesn't like the fuel consumption of his gas F250 when not towing. Instead of getting a diesel F250, he says "oh look, F150 can tow 11,000lbs." and buys one. Then when the TT sways all over the road and damn near kills him, he calls the F150 'junk'