The HDPP misconception
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This is actually a very good question. @johndeerefarmer, IIRC, you either 5th wheel or GN pull...what are your weights?
My previous fiver was 32' long and had a loaded pin weight of near 2000 lbs and a total weight of 9500 lbs. I bought this new one due to handling issues with the truck but finally found out that it was the Andersen hitch causing my issues. My gooseneck trailer is 21' long and I load it down with 8-11k lbs for 5-30 mile pulls for the farm. Total weight is 13k to 16k depending upon the equipment or hay being hauled. Pin weight should be around 2000-2200 lbs as I place the equipment on the trailer to get enough pin weight to ride good but not enough that it overloads the truck too much.
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The more I look at the ratings I’m more convinced that what he said was right. You cant use the GAWR and GVWR the HDPP has and apply it to increase the tow ratings. The way I look at it if you increase pin weight over the 15% of the max tow weight rating you are increasing the ratings. You could probably push a pin weight a small amo7nt higher with a reduced trailer weight and stay under GCWR. Does anyone on the forum tow a fifth wheel with 1300-1500lbs of pin weight with a HDPP truck and not use any rear suspension enhancement? I would be interested in seeing a picture of how it handles the weight.
Just a FYI I don’t own a F150 but really wanted one to tow with one when truck shopping. I really like the styling but the one thing that held me back was I couldn’t figure out what the hell Ford was doing with the ratings. It was this forum and another that shyed me away from getting the truck besides pricing that is. So I’m in a heavier truck from another manufacturer to pull a 8k TT and I don’t regret it. But the ratings thing has been driving me nuts for almost a year now.
Just a FYI I don’t own a F150 but really wanted one to tow with one when truck shopping. I really like the styling but the one thing that held me back was I couldn’t figure out what the hell Ford was doing with the ratings. It was this forum and another that shyed me away from getting the truck besides pricing that is. So I’m in a heavier truck from another manufacturer to pull a 8k TT and I don’t regret it. But the ratings thing has been driving me nuts for almost a year now.
HDPP DOES increase the 5th wheel tow rating. A non-HD 2x4 157" screw can tow 10,200 while a HDPP can do 11,700. If you look at the same trucks for conventional towing the non-HD is 11,800 and the HD is is 11,700. They ran into a hitch or GCWR limitation before the payload limitation in that case.
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Again the tow ratings are what they are in the towing guide. Just because you have excess payload and or AWR doesn’t mean you can use it increase the tow rating. If the truck is rated at 10500 at 15% pin you can’t increase tow rating to 11500 with 15% pin. Nor could you increase pin to 18% with a trailer weight of 10700 or any other combination that exceeds GCWR.
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Again the tow ratings are what they are in the towing guide. Just because you have excess payload and or AWR doesn’t mean you can use it increase the tow rating. If the truck is rated at 10500 at 15% pin you can’t increase tow rating to 11500 with 15% pin. Nor could you increase pin to 18% with a trailer weight of 10500 or any other combination that exceeds GCWR.
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Again the tow ratings are what they are in the towing guide. Just because you have excess payload and or AWR doesn’t mean you can use it increase the tow rating. If the truck is rated at 10500 at 15% pin you can’t increase tow rating to 11500 with 15% pin. Nor could you increase pin to 18% with a trailer weight of 10700 or any other combination that exceeds GCWR.
When you actually own a F150 and fiver or gooseneck please come back and relate your real world experiences
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That’s your choice what you do with your equipment, I won’t argue that. My only stake in this is to try and understand the ratings as a consumer that was a potential buyer. Most that I see on here towing 5th/gooseneck have added thousands of $ in shocks, tires, sway bars, and airbags over the original price of the truck. That tells me the truck as built can’t do the job. I would still like to see a hdpp truck with 2k pin weight with no added suspension enhancement. I’ve used Timbrens in the past and I’ll admit it was because the truck suspension wasn’t up to the task.
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That’s your choice what you do with your equipment, I won’t argue that. My only stake in this is to try and understand the ratings as a consumer that was a potential buyer. Most that I see on here towing 5th/gooseneck have added thousands of $ in shocks, tires, sway bars, and airbags over the original price of the truck. That tells me the truck as built can’t do the job. I would still like to see a hdpp truck with 2k pin weight with no added suspension enhancement. I’ve used Timbrens in the past and I’ll admit it was because the truck suspension wasn’t up to the task.
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The issue here is most people just believe an f250 is going to handle perfectly at its max ratings trust me a 6.2 f250 4 door long box with 4x4 2015 (the truck my HDPP replaced and does a better job at carrying my equipment then my 250 @ half the fuel cost) at its max payload also needed aftermarket shock and air suspension to handle the load and make it safer to drive and if you got to a 350 technically your into log books and such but no one here understands that because they all drive f150s of course a truck that is ment for comfort will be nose high with a 1700 pound load in the bed people these days just lack common sense