Finding my GCWR
#11
Grumpy Old Man
As others mentioned, the GCWR and tow rating are pretty much useless info. They are not your limiter as to how much trailer you can tow without being overloaded. Instead, payload capacity is usually the limiter, and more specifically, payload capacity available for hitch weight. The receiver hitch weight capacities without a weight-distributing (WD) hitch is the limiter on all F-150s, and the rear GAWR is the limiter for some F-150s. So assuming you use a WD hitch, then if you don't exceed the GVWR of your F-150, then you'll probably not exceed any of the other weight capacities when towing.
So forgetabout trying to tow a 9,100 pound TT with your F-150. You'll be overloaded. To determine the max weight of a TT you can tow without being overloaded remember that payload capacity available for hitch weight is probably your limiter. Payload capacity available for hitch weight is GVWR of the F-150 minus the wet and loaded weight of the F-150.
Subtract 100 pounds for a good WD hitch from the payload capacity available for hitch weight and the answer is the payload capacity available for tongue weight. Divide the payload capacity available for tongue weight by 13% and the answer is the max weight of any properly-loaded TT you can probably tow without being overloaded.
Does all this seem like good estimates?
The following users liked this post:
Stonehands (08-03-2018)
#12
Senior Member
BTW, A Goggle search I found a trailer tongue weight hydraulic scale. Useful for me with a vehicle on a flatbed as it is required for vehicle placement on the trailer. Search for "Sherline Hydraulic scale" Ebay for $140. I will also use it on all my other trailers before I head for the commercial scale down the highway. Without the tongue weigh for my flatbed I would have to do multiple weights at the commercial scale to get it correct.
PW
PW
The following users liked this post:
Stonehands (08-03-2018)
#13
If you use a flat bed and have multiple tongue weights, why not use this?
https://www.etrailer.com/Ball-Mounts...afe/WS6-2.html
Just curious.
https://www.etrailer.com/Ball-Mounts...afe/WS6-2.html
Just curious.
#14
Senior Member
If you use a flat bed and have multiple tongue weights, why not use this?
https://www.etrailer.com/Ball-Mounts...afe/WS6-2.html
Just curious.
https://www.etrailer.com/Ball-Mounts...afe/WS6-2.html
Just curious.
Because heavy trailers need to have a weight distribution hitch. I looked close to the hitch you mention and it is not applicable for our limited tow capacity F150s. Most of us with big trailers (heavy) have to have the WDH. Of course the Sherline works with any kind of hitch.
#15
=== =
Because heavy trailers need to have a weight distribution hitch. I looked close to the hitch you mention and it is not applicable for our limited tow capacity F150s. Most of us with big trailers (heavy) have to have the WDH. Of course the Sherline works with any kind of hitch.
Because heavy trailers need to have a weight distribution hitch. I looked close to the hitch you mention and it is not applicable for our limited tow capacity F150s. Most of us with big trailers (heavy) have to have the WDH. Of course the Sherline works with any kind of hitch.
I wasnt suggesting to not use a WDH. Thanks
#16
Senior Member
It would be perfectly good for a light weight trailer (less than 3846 pounds). Of course that hitch costs more than the Sherline version.
You are correct your suggestion wont work for a WDH.
The limit on the hitch for a F150 has a limit of 500 pounds for a non WDH or universal type hitch. The result for 13% of the trailer weight on the hitch the max trailer would be 3846 pounds. Anything higher requires a WDH. WDH hitches are specific proprietary design that prevents using the universal hitch with the gauge you mentioned.
You are correct your suggestion wont work for a WDH.
The limit on the hitch for a F150 has a limit of 500 pounds for a non WDH or universal type hitch. The result for 13% of the trailer weight on the hitch the max trailer would be 3846 pounds. Anything higher requires a WDH. WDH hitches are specific proprietary design that prevents using the universal hitch with the gauge you mentioned.
#17
It would be perfectly good for a light weight trailer (less than 3846 pounds). Of course that hitch costs more than the Sherline version.
You are correct your suggestion wont work for a WDH.
The limit on the hitch for a F150 has a limit of 500 pounds for a non WDH or universal type hitch. The result for 13% of the trailer weight on the hitch the max trailer would be 3846 pounds. Anything higher requires a WDH. WDH hitches are specific proprietary design that prevents using the universal hitch with the gauge you mentioned.
You are correct your suggestion wont work for a WDH.
The limit on the hitch for a F150 has a limit of 500 pounds for a non WDH or universal type hitch. The result for 13% of the trailer weight on the hitch the max trailer would be 3846 pounds. Anything higher requires a WDH. WDH hitches are specific proprietary design that prevents using the universal hitch with the gauge you mentioned.
#18
Grumpy Old Man
It should be no big problem for any of the big boys at Reese, Blue Ox, Curt, Husky, Weigh-Safe or other hitch manufacturers to design and produce a good weight-distributing/sway control hitch that includes a scale in the ball mount part of the WD hitch. But I've never heard of one yet.
But I need to know my tongue weight, so I carry a Sherline Tongue Weight Scale in my TT and use it often. Here's mine:
https://www.etrailer.com/Tools/Sherline/5780.html
You can buy the Load Master brand of tongue weight scale for less money at Amazon.com, but I know the Sherline is good stuff and I don't know anything about the cheaper band. When I searched for "Sherline" on Amazon, the results showed Load Master but said Sherline. Confusing, so I stick with eTrailer.com
Last edited by smokeywren; 08-04-2018 at 10:55 AM.
The following users liked this post:
PaulWil (08-04-2018)
#19
Probably not, because nobody makes a WD hitch with a ball mount that includes a scale. Look at the design of the ball mount part of a weight-carrying Weigh-Safe hitch, and compare it to the ball mount part of any WD hitch. The big difference is the ball mount for a WD hitch includes the attachment points for the spring bars. Without the spring bars attached, you don't have a WD hitch.
It should be no big problem for any of the big boys at Reese, Blue Ox, Curt, Husky, Weigh-Safe or other hitch manufacturers to design and produce a good weight-distributing/sway control hitch that includes a scale in the ball mount part of the WD hitch. But I've never heard of one yet.
But I need to know my tongue weight, so I carry a Sherline Tongue Weight Scale in my TT and use it often. Here's mine:
https://www.etrailer.com/Tools/Sherline/5780.html
You can buy the Load Master brand of tongue weight scale for less money at Amazon.com, but I know the Sherline is good stuff and I don't know anything about the cheaper band. When I searched for "Sherline" on Amazon, the results showed Load Master but said Sherline. Confusing, so I stick with eTrailer.com
It should be no big problem for any of the big boys at Reese, Blue Ox, Curt, Husky, Weigh-Safe or other hitch manufacturers to design and produce a good weight-distributing/sway control hitch that includes a scale in the ball mount part of the WD hitch. But I've never heard of one yet.
But I need to know my tongue weight, so I carry a Sherline Tongue Weight Scale in my TT and use it often. Here's mine:
https://www.etrailer.com/Tools/Sherline/5780.html
You can buy the Load Master brand of tongue weight scale for less money at Amazon.com, but I know the Sherline is good stuff and I don't know anything about the cheaper band. When I searched for "Sherline" on Amazon, the results showed Load Master but said Sherline. Confusing, so I stick with eTrailer.com
The following users liked this post:
Ltlwolf816 (01-22-2022)
#20
Blunt
Thanks for the replies, and the good info. Having known none of this 2 weeks ago, I've been digging in and learning all the values and math. I don't wanna be "that guy" - flipped over on the highway because I didn't know my numbers. Glad you guys confirmed what I was thinking.
For reference, we're looking to get a travel trailer somewhere in the neighborhood of 5500 lbs unloaded, maybe 25-27 feet long. My loose numbers:
5500 lbs TT
1000 lbs gear in the TT (I've heard thats what most people travel with, although that seems like way more gear than I can even fathom)
6500 * .13 = 845 lbs to expect for the tongue
+100 lbs for weight distributing hitch
hitch weight = 945 lbs
Since I have a rating of 1100 lbs on my hitch receiver, I'm good there
600 lbs (approx weight of passengers)
100 lbs of misc. gear in the truck
+ 945 hitch weight
= 1645 lbs...well below my payload rating of 2,111 lbs.
Does all this seem like good estimates?
For reference, we're looking to get a travel trailer somewhere in the neighborhood of 5500 lbs unloaded, maybe 25-27 feet long. My loose numbers:
5500 lbs TT
1000 lbs gear in the TT (I've heard thats what most people travel with, although that seems like way more gear than I can even fathom)
6500 * .13 = 845 lbs to expect for the tongue
+100 lbs for weight distributing hitch
hitch weight = 945 lbs
Since I have a rating of 1100 lbs on my hitch receiver, I'm good there
600 lbs (approx weight of passengers)
100 lbs of misc. gear in the truck
+ 945 hitch weight
= 1645 lbs...well below my payload rating of 2,111 lbs.
Does all this seem like good estimates?
Your 945 lbs tongue weight falls under the 1100 lb limit.
Your payload is well within limits.
With that lined up, you should also fall within limits of your GAWR's and GVWR.
If you're really curious to know the numbers for sure, hit up a CAT scale with trailer hitch and loaded up like you're ready to hit the road. That white sticker tells you the max of your front and rear axles (GAWR) which the CAT scale will weigh for you.
If you Google it, there's also a trick you can do with a regular bathroom scale and some 2x4's to measure your true tongue weight.
But really, you don't have anything to worry about based on those numbers. Just make sure you don't load up ALL your stuff in the front of the trailer ahead of the axles. For me, since I put a heavy floor jack and my tools in a storage bin at the front of my TT, I place my XL cooler full of ice and beverages in the bathtub at the rear of the TT and also have several bundles of firewood in the bathroom as well.
Last edited by BlackBoost; 08-07-2018 at 02:33 PM.
The following users liked this post:
Ltlwolf816 (01-22-2022)