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Old 02-04-2014, 11:03 PM
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FYI: AutoLockers do allow the tires to rotate at different speeds. When you make a turn the outside tire can/will spin faster then the inside tire as the fiction from the road allows it to override the locker teeth and "rachet". Unless there is too much throttle used.
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Originally Posted by ibd2328 View Post
The open differential always applies the same amount of torque to each wheel. There are two factors that determine how much torque can be applied to the wheels: equipment and traction. In dry conditions, when there is plenty of traction, the amount of torque applied to the wheels is limited by the engine and gearing; in a low traction situation, such as when driving on ice, the amount of torque is limited to the greatest amount that will not cause a wheel to slip under those conditions. So, even though a car may be able to produce more torque, there needs to be enough traction to transmit that torque to the ground. If you give the car more gas after the wheels start to slip, the wheels will just spin faster.

On Thin Ice
If you've ever driven on ice, you may know of a trick that makes acceleration easier: If you start out in second gear, or even third gear, instead of first, because of the gearing in the transmission you will have less torque available to the wheels. This will make it easier to accelerate without spinning the wheels.

Now what happens if one of the drive wheels has good traction, and the other one is on ice? This is where the problem with open differentials comes in.

Remember that the open differential always applies the same torque to both wheels, and the maximum amount of torque is limited to the greatest amount that will not make the wheels slip. It doesn't take much torque to make a tire slip on ice. And when the wheel with good traction is only getting the very small amount of torque that can be applied to the wheel with less traction, your car isn't going to move very much.

Off Road
Another time open differentials might get you into trouble is when you are driving off-road. If you have a four-wheel drive truck, or an SUV, with an open differential on both the front and the back, you could get stuck. Now, remember -- as we mentioned on the previous page, the open differential always applies the same torque to both wheels. If one of the front tires and one of the back tires comes off the ground, they will just spin helplessly in the air, and you won't be able to move at all.
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Here is a really good page for information and animations.


http://www.howstuffworks.com/differential2.htm

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Lmao I found this vid on youtube. It's hilarious but explains open differentials perfectly.

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Excellent video. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by me1234
Yes, this has been gone over multiple times, but I'll chime in cause I'm bored and feel like being helpful lol. An open differential, which is standard on most 2wds and 4x4s, split power evenly between each wheel, until one loses traction then power is transferred to the wheel with the least traction. The reason most vehicles are equipped with open differentials is 1) they're cheap to make and 2) they allow for each wheel to rotate at a different speed throughout turn, stopping them front hopping mid-turn and making various horrible noises In a 4x4 with both front and rear open differentials, the front and rear wheel with the least traction will provide power. Basically its a 2x4. Open diff 2wds are really 1x4s. Now, open diff 4wds are useful because there is a chance that both front wheels or rear wheels will have traction when the other end doesn't and the truck can get out. However, if one front wheel has no traction, and one rear wheel has no traction at the same time, an open diff 4x4 is stuck. OP, the reason both your rear wheels spun and only one front wheel did, is because your rear differential is not an open diff, it is a limited-slip differential. Limited slip differentials are different from open diffs because they allow for different wheel speeds, but after a certain point will lock up and give power to both wheels. This is accomplished from friction plates(called clutch packs) in the differential that allow for force to be transferred to both wheels. Limited slip differentials do have their limits and setbacks though. If too much throttle is given, it can actually beat the friction plates and cause the wheel with least traction to spin. While this is happening, the clutch plates are rapidly being worn down, weakening them. Since the plates are made of a friction material, they also have to be replaced after a while or the differential will not split the traction. Limited slip differentials are normally only available in the rear differential from the factory. These differentials are also pretty weak for serious off-roading, but usually strong enough for the average persons needs. Many aftermarket limited slip differentials do exist though. The highest rated being the Eaton Helical limited slip differential (also known as a Detroit Trueteac). This differential is much stronger than the factory differential and uses helical gears instead of friction plates to actually transfer more power to the wheel with less traction and is totally road friendly. These gears will supposedly never wear out like the friction plates in standard limited slip differentials and are supposed to be maintenance free(from what i've read on multiple forums, this appears to be true). The Detroit Truetrac is also available for front and rear applications and can give you power to all 4 wheels. Other differential types do exist. A favorite among off-roaders is to use a locker in both the front and rear differential. A locker locks both front and rear axles and transfers power evenly to both. This will give the affect most people assume they have when they put their truck into 4x4 in that all 4 wheels give power no matter the traction. The downsides to a locker: 1) they don't allow different wheel speeds and thus can cause wheel hop in the middle of a turn. 2) if an in-experienced driver uses a locker and gives too much throttle to get unstuck, the stress can be too great for an unmodified axle and actually break it. But they are favored for a reason, because, quite frankly, they get the job done(unless you're truly in deep &$&). Then only a tow strap and a friend with another vehicle can help you. Multiple types of lockers exist, some are always on, while others can be turned off an on either electrically or using an air compressor mounted to the differential. These selectable lockers have the true 4x4 advantage when turned on, but act as an open differential when turned off.
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