Tommy J

Sounds good. I never even used my wedge tool because initially I was just going to do the phasers. I up for the loan link

Tommy J

My neighbor is now attempting a timing job on his 05 F150. Don't know him too well but was relaying some experience. He is having a heck of a problem getting his new oil pump in. I was telling him of the alternative to the spring compressor tool and was wondering if you and I did the same procedure. I had everything positioned for timing and put some of the rollers in first, forget which ones were giving me problems when I had taken the caps off and had stayed in position. Then I put cams on and caps and tightened a little then slipped the rest of them under before caps were too tight. I guess I could have just placed all rollers in and then cam and caps but was nervous about stuff falling everywhere. Sorry if you did give detail earlier. I'm too tired and lazy to re read the post. I guess I'm just curious after the fact. I know the ford tech guy on you tube is making a short cut video. Anyway, was trying to explain to my neighbor and realized there may be a better way. Thanks

Tommy J

I found your answer. You installed all followers and then cam and caps.

F150Torqued

Yea - it was a little like building a house of cards. But I installed ALL lash adjusters (after thoroughly cleaning their wells), then set or balanced all followers on. They seem to set there on the head of valves and the lash adjuster fine. Then gently set camshaft on (in exactly proper orientation). A couple of times I knocked a couple of rollers off and had to retrace my tracks. Once I got caps on and finger tightened cam cap bolts - everything proceeded smooth.


I actually like your idea of 'stuffing' some of the followers in (the ones with cam lobes UP) after getting the cam cap bolts started.

Tommy J

I also had the valve spring compressor tool which works fine on the front rollers but had some trouble with setting the cam on the passenger side with your method of getting the cam to stay on my marks and having either too much chain slack or too tight. I ended up using the tool and popping some in with a screwdriver with lobes facing up. I'm anxious to see the ford tech guy on you tube coming out with his shortcut for this step. Wonder if its anything you or I or someone else already did. By the way, I've told at least 6 mechanics that I did the timing job and the reaction is always the same. Oh my God, you couldn't pay me enough to do that job or I wouldn't even attempt it. Puts a smile on my face after getting my butt kicked for a week

F150Torqued

LOL. THAT's classic.


Your description mentioning the 'chain' ... Sounds like I did things in a slightly different order. Perhaps wasn't clear in my description. I did all the work on top of the heads and had lash adjusters / rollers / cams & caps in place before I ever put the phasers and chains on. It was truly like a house of cards setting cam on all the rollers and getting front & rear cam caps set in place and a bolt started.


Hope yours does like mine - it literally ran better and better over the next couple of weeks. (I think it takes some time for the ECU to fine tune lots of operating parameters).

Tommy J

I did it a little different. after everything was removed including cams, rollers, adjusters. I put in adjusters which was the easy part then put on phasers and did a "pre timing" layout with everything including chains but did not put tensioners in. Just kept chain tight with my hand and marked both cams. Then removed cam caps and tried your method which wasn't too bad. Everything stayed in place except my marks didn't line up on the pass side and when I tried to force it over it wouldn't stay. I ended up taking all of the cam caps back off and timing it with the tensioners but no rollers. I put them in after the fact which was a real pain. I think your method makes more sense and I was wondering how you timed it but having the phasers off made the difference for you. Either way its a tough job. Don't think I want to do it again. Trucks got other issues I'm diving into now

JArthur

I slowly removed the cam caps a bit at a time, took off rollers and followers, cleaned them real well, bore scoped the oil passages, found a few chunks of plastic took those out and put the rollers and followers back on and tightened down the caps a bit at a time, no movement of the rollers and followers.

Eric Kleven

Thinking back on mine, I put all the followers in after the cams since I had the spring compresser. but I never tried to put any followers in where the cam lobes were 'down'. It was just easier to rotate the engine a bit to point followers 'up' or slightly over the lash adjusters. Tedious, but not difficult.

Tommy J

Agreed and did the same. One or two I did the screwdriver pop on because of the angle and my ac drier being in the way. rotated with lobes made it much easier. My passenger valve cover is leaking. I must have rolled it and just spent 3 plus hours removing it again. What a royal pain. Thought I was done with this. Its running great and much quieter. Putting it on first thing tomorrow