X plan pin
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And both destination and regional dealer fees are baked into invoice, so you should be on the same playing field comparing X-Plan to other quotes.
But as you say, you should make sure you ask if there are any other fees besides the $275 doc fee.
The guy I talked to near me said there was absolutely no way I would beat X-Plan and I shouldn't waste my time trying, then the next guy I talked to beat it by over $800 keeping fees the same.
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Really.
X-plan is usually more. Unless you aren't dealing with the right pricing service (www.Zag.com, www.truecar.com are excellent) or are a very uninformed or unwilling negotiator. Or trying to work with a podunk dealer who gets so few cars he doesn't bother offering good deals.
First off, rebates are rebates. You'll get them wether or not you use X-plan. Same with 'private cash' (like the brochure coupon), trade in assist, and finance rebate. You get it all, X-plan or no X-plan. So forget about rebates for a moment.
It comes down to dealer discount... X-plan is fixed at I believe $200 over invoice, with a fixed small maximum D&H. On my FX4, I paid $1,000 under invoice, with a slightly higher $250 D&H.
Bottom line? X-Plan would have been at least $800 more expensive in my case.
X-plan is usually more. Unless you aren't dealing with the right pricing service (www.Zag.com, www.truecar.com are excellent) or are a very uninformed or unwilling negotiator. Or trying to work with a podunk dealer who gets so few cars he doesn't bother offering good deals.
First off, rebates are rebates. You'll get them wether or not you use X-plan. Same with 'private cash' (like the brochure coupon), trade in assist, and finance rebate. You get it all, X-plan or no X-plan. So forget about rebates for a moment.
It comes down to dealer discount... X-plan is fixed at I believe $200 over invoice, with a fixed small maximum D&H. On my FX4, I paid $1,000 under invoice, with a slightly higher $250 D&H.
Bottom line? X-Plan would have been at least $800 more expensive in my case.
Last edited by pfbz; Apr 26, 2012 at 09:28 PM.
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currently, $100 is the MAX FEE a dealer can charge for a doc fee if you're using the X-Plan (azd).
Where you're screwed is if the dealer charges NO DOC FEE to start with, then tacks that on "just because they can".
Where you're screwed is if the dealer charges NO DOC FEE to start with, then tacks that on "just because they can".
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Ok, to clarify, since I posted something else, I'm looking at an X-Plan PIN sheet. It says that the dealer is permitted to assess up to $100 in documentary fees. In addition, there is a $275 administrative fee that is supposed to be included in the X-Plan price, not assessed separately. Interesting, though, the first dealer I talked to wanted to tack that onto the price.
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There is an excellent thread with lots of good X-plan (as well as A-plan, Z-plan, D-plan) info here:
https://www.f150forum.com/f38/what-a...-x-plan-98232/
A few excerpts:
https://www.f150forum.com/f38/what-a...-x-plan-98232/
A few excerpts:
Originally Posted by Anthony H
Here is what it looks like on the invoice, X Plan is always just above invoice price.
Originally Posted by Jeff2015
Changed in 2010, actually capped at $275, not $250.
Pricing Formula
The AXZD-Plan price is the amount shown on the line labeled appropriately near the bottom of the factory invoice. The New Vehicle Purchase Program price includes advertising, finance costs, transportation, and Company Administration Fee.
X-Plan is a pre-determined price based on dealer invoice or A-Plan price depending on brand. The X-Plan price is noted on the dealer invoice.
AZ-Plan
Dealer Invoice - Holdback - Advertising Assessment + Administration Fee* (see sample invoice)
X-Plan
Dealer Invoice - (0.4% * Dealer Invoice) + Administration Fee* (see sample invoice)
*$275 Administration Fee for 2010MY vehicles, $75 Administration Fee for 2009MY and prior vehicles.
Pricing Formula
The AXZD-Plan price is the amount shown on the line labeled appropriately near the bottom of the factory invoice. The New Vehicle Purchase Program price includes advertising, finance costs, transportation, and Company Administration Fee.
X-Plan is a pre-determined price based on dealer invoice or A-Plan price depending on brand. The X-Plan price is noted on the dealer invoice.
AZ-Plan
Dealer Invoice - Holdback - Advertising Assessment + Administration Fee* (see sample invoice)
X-Plan
Dealer Invoice - (0.4% * Dealer Invoice) + Administration Fee* (see sample invoice)
*$275 Administration Fee for 2010MY vehicles, $75 Administration Fee for 2009MY and prior vehicles.
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The $275 is already included in the X-PLAN price.
Dealer Invoice - (0.4% * Dealer Invoice) + Administration Fee* (see sample invoice)
The $100 is a fee the dealer can add for "processing".
Dealer Invoice - (0.4% * Dealer Invoice) + Administration Fee* (see sample invoice)
The $100 is a fee the dealer can add for "processing".
Ok, to clarify, since I posted something else, I'm looking at an X-Plan PIN sheet. It says that the dealer is permitted to assess up to $100 in documentary fees. In addition, there is a $275 administrative fee that is supposed to be included in the X-Plan price, not assessed separately. Interesting, though, the first dealer I talked to wanted to tack that onto the price.
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There is an excellent thread with lots of good X-plan (as well as A-plan, Z-plan, D-plan) info here:
https://www.f150forum.com/f38/what-a...-x-plan-98232/
A few excerpts:
https://www.f150forum.com/f38/what-a...-x-plan-98232/
A few excerpts:
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Hi everyone! I was able to use an x plan pin in 2010 to purchase a F150 Lariat with the help of a memeber here. I am now looking to buy the wife a ford as well and was hoping i could get in touch with someone and use the xplan again. If anyone is willing to help me with a pin i would greatly appreciate it
