Winter Wheels and/or TPM
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I bought a set of after market tpms from tirerack.com, believe they were $130 for a set, any will work so long as they are the correct frequency of 315MHz.
Also and it may be new for 2013 and higher, you do not have to train the new sensors, they will be automatically detected by the tpms module, which contradicts what my owners manual states but they worked right out of the box for me.
I hooked up IDS to be sure and they were reading all 4 as individual pressures L/F, R/F, L/R, R/R.
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Also and it may be new for 2013 and higher, you do not have to train the new sensors, they will be automatically detected by the tpms module, which contradicts what my owners manual states but they worked right out of the box for me.
I hooked up IDS to be sure and they were reading all 4 as individual pressures L/F, R/F, L/R, R/R.
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this past weekend i installed a set of OEM ford 17 inch steel wheels with the TMPS installed and i had to re-learn the tpms for each wheel before the light would go off on my 2014 xlt
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Ok here is what I see with IDS, all 4 individual sensor pressure readings, individual ID#'s and Temperature, the last one surprised me, wasn't expecting to see a temp reading.
These are readings from the aftermarket tpms sensors having done nothing other than install them and air up the tires. So I assume something is different for 2013 up trucks as in the id's are not stored just read and paired with the bcm sort of like pairing with Bluetooth?
Make what you will with the facts I have presented. But as I said, they worked right out of the box.
These are readings from the aftermarket tpms sensors having done nothing other than install them and air up the tires. So I assume something is different for 2013 up trucks as in the id's are not stored just read and paired with the bcm sort of like pairing with Bluetooth?
Make what you will with the facts I have presented. But as I said, they worked right out of the box.
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Ok here is what I see with IDS, all 4 individual sensor pressure readings, individual ID#'s and Temperature, the last one surprised me, wasn't expecting to see a temp reading.
These are readings from the aftermarket tpms sensors having done nothing other than install them and air up the tires. So I assume something is different for 2013 up trucks as in the id's are not stored just read and paired with the bcm sort of like pairing with Bluetooth?
Make what you will with the facts I have presented. But as I said, they worked right out of the box.
These are readings from the aftermarket tpms sensors having done nothing other than install them and air up the tires. So I assume something is different for 2013 up trucks as in the id's are not stored just read and paired with the bcm sort of like pairing with Bluetooth?
Make what you will with the facts I have presented. But as I said, they worked right out of the box.
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Got me scratching my head, I thought for sure I would have to train the new sensors as well, even read up on the procedure in the owners manual ahead of time so I was ready to do it but I didn't have to for what ever reason.
I wonder if my driving home from the shop where I aired the new tires up and had stacked in the bed for the trip home to put them on had something to do with it.
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Last edited by RLXXI; Nov 3, 2014 at 05:33 PM.
Well....when the vehicle sits still/is parked for more than 15 minutes, most all the Schrader sensors still transmit once every hour. I'm quite sure our F150 sensors will do that as well.
That's so that when you start up in the morning you'll have a fairly up to date pressure, and when you drive down your street at 15 mph for a minute or two you won't get any TPMS alerts that no sensors are present.
So....when your truck is parked within 100 feet or so of your original wheels/tires/sensors stacked in the garage, the truck will pick them up.
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Ok here is what I see with IDS, all 4 individual sensor pressure readings, individual ID#'s and Temperature, the last one surprised me, wasn't expecting to see a temp reading.
These are readings from the aftermarket tpms sensors having done nothing other than install them and air up the tires. So I assume something is different for 2013 up trucks as in the id's are not stored just read and paired with the bcm sort of like pairing with Bluetooth?
Make what you will with the facts I have presented. But as I said, they worked right out of the box.
These are readings from the aftermarket tpms sensors having done nothing other than install them and air up the tires. So I assume something is different for 2013 up trucks as in the id's are not stored just read and paired with the bcm sort of like pairing with Bluetooth?
Make what you will with the facts I have presented. But as I said, they worked right out of the box.
Yeah butt.....do you know the sensor ID#s of the aftermarket sensors in the wheels on your truck??
Maybe those ID#s are those of your OE sensors.
If you had a TPMS tool like mine below, you could check each sensor to see the ID# of the sensor in each of your 8 wheels/tires, and then you'd know which ones the IDS is really displaying.
In the picture below you can see that I'm querying a sensor in a wheel on my King Ranch, and you can see that the display shows the data transmitted by the sensor:
ID# 35119911C7 (that's the unique ID# of the sensor in that wheel)
PSI 37.8
Temp 86F
Batt OK (that's the condition of the sensor's internal battery)
Freq 315 MHz (that's the frequency the sensor transmitted its data stream on to the TPMS)
PSI 37.8
Temp 86F
Batt OK (that's the condition of the sensor's internal battery)
Freq 315 MHz (that's the frequency the sensor transmitted its data stream on to the TPMS)
I don't have another set of wheels/tires/sensors to put on my truck, but I'm seriously looking at a set that's on local Craigslist. If I get them I think I'll be able to tell if the different set of sensors automatically log themselves into the TPMS computer module memory.
Last edited by KR Kodi; Nov 3, 2014 at 06:42 PM.
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Well....when the vehicle sits still/is parked for more than 15 minutes, most all the Schrader sensors still transmit once every hour. I'm quite sure our F150 sensors will do that as well.
That's so that when you start up in the morning you'll have a fairly up to date pressure, and when you drive down your street at 15 mph for a minute or two you won't get any TPMS alerts that no sensors are present.
So....when your truck is parked within 100 feet or so of your original wheels/tires/sensors stacked in the garage, the truck will pick them up.
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That's so that when you start up in the morning you'll have a fairly up to date pressure, and when you drive down your street at 15 mph for a minute or two you won't get any TPMS alerts that no sensors are present.
So....when your truck is parked within 100 feet or so of your original wheels/tires/sensors stacked in the garage, the truck will pick them up.
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That still don't explain how I'm not getting a warning or malfunction indicator when I'm out on the road miles from my home. They update approx. every 60 secs according to the shop manual, if the new sensors were not recognized it should set an alert I would think.
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http://www.oewheelsllc.com/TPMS-Sensors_5#.VFgUlYczgXw
Heres where I bought my second set of tpms sensors for my winter wheels. I did nothing, they syncd up on their own and work great!.
Heres where I bought my second set of tpms sensors for my winter wheels. I did nothing, they syncd up on their own and work great!.
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Yeah butt.....do you know the sensor ID#s of the aftermarket sensors in the wheels on your truck??
Maybe those ID#s are those of your OE sensors.
If you had a TPMS tool like mine below, you could check each sensor to see the ID# of the sensor in each of your 8 wheels/tires, and then you'd know which ones the IDS is really displaying.
In the picture below you can see that I'm querying a sensor in a wheel on my King Ranch, and you can see that the display shows the data transmitted by the sensor:
Maybe those ID#s are those of your OE sensors.
If you had a TPMS tool like mine below, you could check each sensor to see the ID# of the sensor in each of your 8 wheels/tires, and then you'd know which ones the IDS is really displaying.
In the picture below you can see that I'm querying a sensor in a wheel on my King Ranch, and you can see that the display shows the data transmitted by the sensor:
ID# 35119911C7 (that's the unique ID# of the sensor in that wheel)
PSI 37.8
Temp 86F
Batt OK (that's the condition of the sensor's internal battery)
Freq 315 MHz (that's the frequency the sensor transmitted its data stream on to the TPMS)
PSI 37.8
Temp 86F
Batt OK (that's the condition of the sensor's internal battery)
Freq 315 MHz (that's the frequency the sensor transmitted its data stream on to the TPMS)
I don't have another set of wheels/tires/sensors to put on my truck, but I'm seriously looking at a set that's on local Craigslist. If I get them I think I'll be able to tell if the different set of sensors automatically log themselves into the TPMS computer module memory.
I don't have the OTC tool I have the IDS computer the dealer uses and it works a little differently.
I get what your saying about the sensors except on our trucks. Note the paragraph underlined in bold red below.
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Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
The Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) includes:
- the Body Control Module (BCM) , located behind the passenger side kick panel.
- the Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM) module, located behind the instrument panel on the RH side near the glove box.
- four valve stem mounted tire pressure sensors.
- an Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) warning indicator.
- message center warnings.
Tire Pressure Monitor (TPM) Module
The TPM module is a radio receiver that collects the tire pressure data from the TPMS tire pressure sensors. The TPM module passes the tire pressure data to the BCM , where the BCM applies a predetermined pass/fail criteria.
The BCM compares the information of each tire pressure message against a pressure limit. If the BCM determines that the tire pressure has fallen below the minimum pressure, the BCM communicates this to the IPC on the vehicle communication network.
Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) Pressure Sensor
The BCM uses tire pressure sensors to monitor the tire pressure in the 4 road tires. The sensors transmit radio frequency signals to the BCM approximately once every 60 seconds when the vehicle speed exceeds 32 km/h (20 mph).
The tire pressure sensors are battery operated and mounted to the valve stem.
Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) and Message Center
The IPC illuminates the TPMS warning indicator when it receives a TPMS warning indicator on request from the BCM and displays the appropriate message(s) in the message center.
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That is a direct copy and paste from the Ford factory shop manual. The vehicle has to be moving above 20 mph before it broadcasts information to the system, that negates any chance of my oem set of sensors being read.