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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tomasulo
Also has anyone used aftermarket sensors or do you suggest OEM? I see on eBay the aftermarket for $50/set and OEM for $80-90/set.
I'm pretty sure the Ford part# for our trucks is DE8T-1A180-AA

Just do an eBay search for that number and you'll see a bunch pop up.

I just did, and I see a set of 4 new OE sensors from one source for $50+3 shipping.

Edited: also, if you want one of those inexpensive Ford TPMS tools, the Ford part# is 8C2Z-1A203-A, and the Motocraft part# is TPMS-19.

Do a search for each of those #s and you'll see a good selection, some down at $40 or maybe a little less.
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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 02:44 PM
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I bought a set of after market tpms from tirerack.com, believe they were $130 for a set, any will work so long as they are the correct frequency of 315MHz.

Also and it may be new for 2013 and higher, you do not have to train the new sensors, they will be automatically detected by the tpms module, which contradicts what my owners manual states but they worked right out of the box for me.

I hooked up IDS to be sure and they were reading all 4 as individual pressures L/F, R/F, L/R, R/R.


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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 03:48 PM
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I'm gonna need to some experimenting, because I am of the opinion that nothing happens automatically when you put in a new set of sensors.

The TPMS memory can only hold four sensor ID#s.

The sensors for our trucks are designed so the TPMS will only recognize and respond to the transmissions from the sensors whose ID #s are logged into the TPMS memory during a relearn or retrain procedure.

If they recognize ANY sensors, if you're going down the highway and another F150 with low tire pressure drives along beside you in another lane, your TPMS will give you a low tire pressure alert. Same if you park next to another F150 with low pressure, your TPMS could pick up a low pressure transmission from that truck and give you an alert of pressure problems in your truck.

Also, you MUST have the correct model sensor for our trucks - just any old sensor that transmits to the TPMS on 315 MHz won't work. The majority of sensors in U.S./North American vehicles transmit on 315 MHz. Different models of sensors for different vehicles transmit a different data stream of info. Our Ford TPMS speaks/understands F150, and if it gets a transmission from a sensor designed to talk to the TPMS in a Chevy, Dodge, or even a Mustang, our TPMS will think it's hearing Chinese or some other language it doesn't understand.

You must use a sensor that is either Ford part# DE8T-1A180-AA or an aftermarket one that is designed to talk to our F150 TPMS.

There are newer sensors that have been out for a couple years that can be programmed to be clones of the four OE ones in your wheels - they can be programmed to have the same ID #s and transmit the same data stream of info to be exact replicas of the ones in your wheels.


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....I hooked up IDS to be sure and they were reading all 4 as individual pressures L/F, R/F, L/R, R/R.

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Im curious to know, does your IDS readout display the ID #s of the sensor on each corner of the truck?

Below is a picture of my higher-end TPMS tool that displays sensor info on the screen. You can see that it displays that sensor's unique ID# and other info:

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If your IDS does display each sensor's ID#, I'd be interested to know if when you swap on a different set of wheels with a different set of sensors (that ARE NOT clones of your OE set) if the new ID #s automatically pop in there into the TPMS module memory, and how long/far it takes for that to happen.

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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by KR Kodi
I'm pretty sure the Ford part# for our trucks is DE8T-1A180-AA Just do an eBay search for that number and you'll see a bunch pop up. I just did, and I see a set of 4 new OE sensors from one source for $50+3 shipping. Edited: also, if you want one of those inexpensive Ford TPMS tools, the Ford part# is 8C2Z-1A203-A, and the Motocraft part# is TPMS-19. Do a search for each of those #s and you'll see a good selection, some down at $40 or maybe a little less. .
Thanks for the great help!! Will check them out!!
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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KR Kodi
I'm gonna need to some experimenting, because I am of the opinion that nothing happens automatically when you put in a new set of sensors.

The TPMS memory can only hold four sensor ID#s.

The sensors for our trucks are designed so the TPMS will only recognize and respond to the transmissions from the sensors whose ID #s are logged into the TPMS memory during a relearn or retrain procedure.

If they recognize ANY sensors, if you're going down the highway and another F150 with low tire pressure drives along beside you in another lane, your TPMS will give you a low tire pressure alert. Same if you park next to another F150 with low pressure, your TPMS could pick up a low pressure transmission from that truck and give you an alert of pressure problems in your truck.

Also, you MUST have the correct model sensor for our trucks - just any old sensor that transmits to the TPMS on 315 MHz won't work. The majority of sensors in U.S./North American vehicles transmit on 315 MHz. Different models of sensors for different vehicles transmit a different data stream of info. Our Ford TPMS speaks/understands F150, and if it gets a transmission from a sensor designed to talk to the TPMS in a Chevy, Dodge, or even a Mustang, our TPMS will think it's hearing Chinese or some other language it doesn't understand.

You must use a sensor that is either Ford part# DE8T-1A180-AA or an aftermarket one that is designed to talk to our F150 TPMS.

There are newer sensors that have been out for a couple years that can be programmed to be clones of the four OE ones in your wheels - they can be programmed to have the same ID #s and transmit the same data stream of info to be exact replicas of the ones in your wheels.




Im curious to know, does your IDS readout display the ID #s of the sensor on each corner of the truck?

Below is a picture of my higher-end TPMS tool that displays sensor info on the screen. You can see that it displays that sensor's unique ID# and other info:

If your IDS does display each sensor's ID#, I'd be interested to know if when you swap on a different set of wheels with a different set of sensors (that ARE NOT clones of your OE set) if the new ID #s automatically pop in there into the TPMS module memory, and how long/far it takes for that to happen.

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I didn't clone anything if that's even possible, just know they worked right out of the box.

Don't remember anything other than sensor location and pressure showing up on IDS. I do remember there was several other PID's available to view but I did not select them as I only wanted to make sure they were working.

I'm not real familiar with the tpms system as it wasn't a gov mandate until 2007 and I left the dealer in 04. I found this in the shop manual in operation description and may give a clue why parking next to someone with the same system won't interfere.


"The BCM uses tire pressure sensors to monitor the tire pressure in the 4 road tires. The sensors transmit radio frequency signals to the BCM approximately once every 60 seconds when the vehicle speed exceeds 32 km/h (20 mph)." I suppose the odds of the BCM checking at the exact same time on the hwy next to another vehicle is astronomical and nill in a parking lot. Probably also not a strong enough signal to broadcast farther than a foot give or take an inch from the receiver. You could test the distance theory with that OTC device you have.

I'll look again tomorrow and take a screen shot of what I see so maybe we can all make sense of it somehow.

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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 07:12 PM
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Would the above part # be for 2014 's too?
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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 07:12 PM
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It bugged the hell out of me enough for three months I had my wheels removed and them installed.
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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian Dickson
Would the above part # be for 2014 's too?


Yes - Take a look at the info on the site linked below:


http://www.sourceoneautoparts.com/p-...-1a180-aa.aspx




You can see that it indicates that it fits the 2009-2014 F150, along with a bunch of other vehicles.


There are also several alternate part #s, I suspect that they have changed over the years as slight changes have been made to the sensor. For instance, I believe that the DE8T-1A180-AA part# has an improved battery in it for longer life.
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Old Nov 2, 2014 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rnlcomp
...."The BCM uses tire pressure sensors to monitor the tire pressure in the 4 road tires. The sensors transmit radio frequency signals to the BCM approximately once every 60 seconds when the vehicle speed exceeds 32 km/h (20 mph)." I suppose the odds of the BCM checking at the exact same time on the hwy next to another vehicle is astronomical and nill in a parking lot. Probably also not a strong enough signal to broadcast farther than a foot give or take an inch from the receiver. You could test the distance theory with that OTC device you have.

I'll look again tomorrow and take a screen shot of what I see so maybe we can all make sense of it somehow.


I haven't checked the distance the F150 sensors will transmit, but I have with my Vette. I started out about 10 feet behind the car and kept moving down the driveway about 10 feet at a time until I was out in the street more than 80 feet from the car - and the sensors transmitted strong and were received by the TPMS receiver in the car, verified by a honk of the horn. I stopped at that distance, but I'm sure I could have gone out a lot farther - I bet a couple hundred feet


Our F150 sensors are made by the same company that makes the Chevy sensors (Schrader), so I'm sure they have very similar transmission ranges.


The BCM (TPMS computer is, I believe, part of the BCM) isn't checking at any particular time - it's ALWAYS listening for a transmission from any sensor that it receives a signal from. The sensors transmit every 60 seconds (sooner if they detect a rapid change in air pressure) but the BCM/TPMS receiver will pick up a signal whenever it's transmitted by a sensor. If your Right Front and Left Rear sensors transmit a half second apart, the TPMS will still pick up the info from both of them. If another F150 were to be nearby, it really wouldn't matter at all when its sensors transmitted, your TPMS would pick up the transmissions - however, the key is that your TPMS doesn't recognize any sensors except the four of them whose ID #s are in your TPMS's memory, and the ID # is one of the bits of data transmitted by a sensor.


I'll try and do some experimenting to see if my data logger can see the ID #s of the sensors that are logged into the TPMS memory.
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Old Nov 3, 2014 | 10:29 AM
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Its not just the light on the dash. Every ~18 miles you drive a warning comes up on the display screen on the gauge cluster. I had to deal with it for a week because one of the tpms sensors in a set of used wheels I bought was dead. Pretty obnoxious.
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