After reading this mornings newspaper and seeing GM admitting to this I wonder if Ford is next. I think we have all read about the people dealing with battery issues,shuddering,clink and clank,water leaks,exploding rear windows,ect.

 

It's a start to an extremely tarnished image. At least with Ford's issues nobody died. That we've been made aware of, that is.

 

Sort of like paying interest on a loan you haven't made yet.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

This is a forum, and forums are fully-loaded with rightfully upset people who join to find out about the issues they're having with their vehicle. If every single F-150 owner joined this page I guarantee 98% of the threads would be "This truck is great" and "I love this truck" rather than "I'm having problems with my truck".

The exploding rear window, rear end click, EPAS knocking, shudder from a stop, IWE actuator solenoid, timing chain tensioner etc are all common issues, and none are dangerous to the driver or will put you in a position where your life is compromised. Therefore, I don't believe they should qualify for a full-blown recall. If the rear end click made the driveshaft explode, then maybe. The Ecoboost CAC stumble has been mostly addressed and we've heard significantly less incidents about it.

If you go on a GM or Goat forum you'll see the same amount of common issues to look for. None put you at risk, only at an inconvenience, otherwise they would've been recalled.

I'll also say that recalls are good. That means they're addressing the issues.

 

Speed is a factor there and the road. Navigating with no power at 75mph on a turn might not be that easy.

 

No Power steering and power brakes were not an issue years ago, people got around fine. I've been in a handful of vehicles that lost all power on the highway (My old truck being one of them, twice) and it was fairly easy to navigate to the shoulder, even on a curve. Momentum makes it fairly easy to make a turn at speed. Throw it in neutral and let it roll. I'd say It's a pattern of inexperience in less-than idea conditions. But i digress.

 

Would you be willing to call the families of those who lost loved ones and tell them that to their face? Or if your brother was killed in the accident you mentioned here, we all tell you something to that effect?

I think you should withhold these types of harsh judgement. Easy to blame everyone else when you weren't there. And even easier when you have zero relation to those involved.

 

Death should be avoidable by simple proactive driving and taking a second to assess the situation.

If my brother was killed in an accident, of course I would be grieving. But my brother was not killed in an accident and I have never had to experience the pain of losing a family member in an accident, so I am viewing this ignition situation from a logical perspective. It's of course, all speculation. People speculate, there is no harm intended. FWIW, Frankly I think my brother should not have a license.

 

If I am not mistaking, when the key shuts off, all your safety equipment is dead. No airbags, sway control, anti lock brakes.

Sure in the older days you didn't have power steering and people got along fine, but when your engine quits now you are pushing against a hydraulic pump or electric motor, 10 time harder. Once you exhaust your brakes vacuum pump reserve your brakes will react much slower.

Survivable, yes but, not everyone is a Formula 1 trained driver.

 

I have to agree with HardcoreFXFour. I would not lay complete blame on GM, but nor would I lay it completely on the driver either. Like most crashes, it appears to be an interaction of factors. Yes if the car in question did not turn off, they most likely would not have crashed. However there are other factors involved, speed, attention, driver skill level, road conditions, etc.


If I pull out in front of a large semi truck and try to use my superior acceleration to accelerate to highway speeds, and it shudders, or loses power due to the stability control applying my breaks. Who's fault is the crash? Mine for being aggressive? Ford for installing stability control, or a faulty drivetrain? The semi driver for traveling above the recommended limit? Or is it a bad combination of factors coming together at one time?


Just my thoughts on the matter, you can take it or leave it.