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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 05:58 PM
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I never driven in what is considered to be "winter weather", i typically wear flip flops on christmas day. But, a 20 min downpour during the summer followed by blazing heat does a good job of pulling the grease out of the pavement and making for interesting driving.....but, again, these lockers are made for low speed and limited traction, im sure Alberta qualifies as both.
That situation occurs here too... still drives just fine. I always encourage people to just try it lol. The problem comes from the low speed statement. Low speed will leave you high and dry quite easily... This traction stuff is useless on a muddy gravel road... let alone anything else. I refuse to drive with this junk enabled come winter... I will be missing my 05 Sierra... well until I pull some fuses lol. I'm in the minority... i get it... driving is an elusive unicorn that blows a lot of minds these days it seems.

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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 10:27 PM
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For the same reason why traction lok differentials are clutch driven. I dont think i would want to drive something that spins both wheels at the same time everyday in anything over than clear, dry weather. Ever heard the tires scrub at low speed while turning? Making a sharp turn in wet weather might just end up with the nose in the wrong direction.
I'm not suggesting it is a good plan to drive around on the road with the thing locked in good conditions. But what about in the snow and it is slippery, if the wheels slip and spin up over 20mph is the thing going to shut off? Also what if I want to hooligan it up and bust out some nice donuts. The darn thing is going to constantly be turning off.

What is this traction control stuff that turns back on that you guys are talking about?
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Old Jul 23, 2014 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rosetowner
I'm not suggesting it is a good plan to drive around on the road with the thing locked in good conditions. But what about in the snow and it is slippery, if the wheels slip and spin up over 20mph is the thing going to shut off? Also what if I want to hooligan it up and bust out some nice donuts. The darn thing is going to constantly be turning off.

What is this traction control stuff that turns back on that you guys are talking about?
Ive never driven in snow, ever. Our trucks have a two stage traction control, "traction control and stability control".

The e locker turns off at 20 mph, no matter what. If the rear end steps out, either TC or RSC will turn on, depending on how 'toopid the truck gets.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by obusnizzle
Ive never driven in snow, ever. Our trucks have a two stage traction control, "traction control and stability control".

The e locker turns off at 20 mph, no matter what. If the rear end steps out, either TC or RSC will turn on, depending on how 'toopid the truck gets.


Hmm, so even if I turn off both traction controls using the switch they are going to turn themselves back on if I get too sideways?
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 07:40 AM
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The advance track and rsc come back on. It's annoying. Drive on a slippery muddy road as an example. If the back of the truck swings at all that stupid dash light flashes and it cuts all engine power. This is why I pull fuses lol. Not to mention I tire of the retarded brake operated limited slip. My truck has enough power to overcome that trash... but who would want the rear end locked at 60 km/hr.... what an atrocity. But that's why you wire the locker to operate as you wish and kill the traction aids. I have the Raptor powertrain and likely the same pcm... i should see if I could make the off road mode and Raptor tccm work correctly. I honestly don't understand why I would have to buy a Raptor to get a normal driving pickup truck..... However they are all going this way though so it is what it is.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 10:53 AM
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Hmm that sounds dangerous having those stupid traction controls popping back on. So how does one go about getting rid of this horribly stupid system? Is it possible to change the ECM programming to turn that off?
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 12:11 PM
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Unless you're doing stupid things, the traction control coming back on at 35mph shouldn't happen...but hey, your truck and your money.

As for the locker, around here, the roads are crowned so water runs off them to the side, put snow on that crowned road, lock the rear end and go around a corner (so one wheel has to slip) and you can quickly find yourself in the ditch if you are not expecting it. Most people have no idea how to react to something like that so they make the locker shut off at a low speed to protect the general masses from themselves.

Anyway, I wish the 2011's locker switch was set up to allow engagement in 2wd like the later models can. The traction control crap doesnt like the one wheel peel much (hey, I never said I don't do stupid things on occasion, and I usually forget to shut it off anyway).
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 12:14 PM
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Hmm that sounds dangerous having those stupid traction controls popping back on. So how does one go about getting rid of this horribly stupid system? Is it possible to change the ECM programming to turn that off?
No. Nothing programming wise touches the traction/safety systems. Guys a few years ago were toying with the Raptor TCCM trying to make the off road button functional and it did weird stuff with the truck. In my case I have the same engine as the Raptor and essentially the same tuning... my only difference is I don't have 4.10 gears. I might buy the pieces and see what I can do.
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Badass69
No. Nothing programming wise touches the traction/safety systems. Guys a few years ago were toying with the Raptor TCCM trying to make the off road button functional and it did weird stuff with the truck. In my case I have the same engine as the Raptor and essentially the same tuning... my only difference is I don't have 4.10 gears. I might buy the pieces and see what I can do.
I read some of the threads on f150online about using the raptor brain, its pretty ingenius! Common engineering is a cool thing!
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Old Jul 24, 2014 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 11screw50

As for the locker, around here, the roads are crowned so water runs off them to the side, put snow on that crowned road, lock the rear end and go around a corner (so one wheel has to slip) and you can quickly find yourself in the ditch if you are not expecting it. Most people have no idea how to react to something like that so they make the locker shut off at a low speed to protect the general masses from themselves.
True to a point. A correct working limited slip ( like a real one, not electronic and let's use the normal clutch type Ford uses OEM)will do the same thing. When the friction coefficient drops to next to nothing with ice on the road a locker or spooled differential along with a mechanical LSD will all do the same thing. People don't buy trucks with clutch type LSD's and end up in the toolies anymore than those with an open one. You can't fix stupid lol.

Trust me..... I see lots of new trucks ( any brand ) upside down in the ditch in the winter after the first snowfall. Nothing changes the fact people drive too aggressively and too fast during inappropriate situations.
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