F150 vs competition
I have never had a Toyota, but I watched my uncle go through several trucks in the oilfield. He had a route going through the oil leases off road checking on pumps. Every couple years, buy new, take it home and outfit it with tool boxes, tires, replacement bumpers, ect, and go start beating the crap out of it the next morning. No time to go slow through the mud and fields getting the route done. He definitely put them to work.
I don't remember what the issue with Chevy was, I think it was electrical. But the dodges interior kept falling apart. The ford's front end couldn't hold up. The tundra held together through it better than all of them. He stuck with tundras for his last 4 trucks.
I started trying to talk him into a raptor, I was really curious to see how it would do, but he passed away before he made the swap.
I did drive the new tundra before I got my '18 F150, but I wasn't really impressed with it after driving both. I guess for somebody that drives mostly highway and trades in at 200k, the F-150 does it's job well for me. Never had any major issues out of them. Plus I just like the overall design of the ford more
I don't remember what the issue with Chevy was, I think it was electrical. But the dodges interior kept falling apart. The ford's front end couldn't hold up. The tundra held together through it better than all of them. He stuck with tundras for his last 4 trucks.
I started trying to talk him into a raptor, I was really curious to see how it would do, but he passed away before he made the swap.
I did drive the new tundra before I got my '18 F150, but I wasn't really impressed with it after driving both. I guess for somebody that drives mostly highway and trades in at 200k, the F-150 does it's job well for me. Never had any major issues out of them. Plus I just like the overall design of the ford more
Toyota didn't replace all those rusted frames out of concern for their customers. Toyota lost a class action lawsuit over those frames, and that cost them over 2 billion dollars. They also didn't do anything
about the bad catalytic converters, or secondary air pump failures, until they could see a government forced recall was coming. Both of those failures cost owners a lot of money, and aggravation.
They also had many complaints about their 6 spd auto shift control programming when it first came out. Some Toyota forums had 2000+ pages of owners inquiring about tuning to help with those
problems. Not to mention the very poor fuel mileage. The Tacoma 4 cyl I had, got no better mileage than my Ecoboost does, it just had much less power. Not to mention my F150 rides, drive, handles,
and brakes better. Toyota's lack of configurations was a big part of my not buying another. I don't need or want double, or extra cab. Also their restricting engine upgrades to much more expensive top
models was a deal breaker for me. I do think Toyota's Aisin transmissions were some of the best out there mechanically, poor software aside.
I agree, Toyota made some very reliable, long lived V8 engines, and some 4 cyl engines too. However, some of their 4 cyl's had the oil burning / ring problems. Some say poor maintenance was to blame.
Some mechanics say is was piston / ring design. I know they did change the design of the replacement parts. I see too many engines with fairly low mileage have, varnishing, coking, and sludge in them.
Is it engine design, poor maintenance, poor oil , or a combination of all 3? I don't know, but I use only full synthetic oil, and change it every 6 months / 3000 miles in my F150. Turbo plus complex valve
train is very hard on oil. Older non turbo engines without variable valve timing, and using a timing belt instead of chains, could probably go a year and 10,000 miles between oil changes. I wouldn't
trust that on an Ecoboost though, regardless of what any car makes says. Oil is much cheaper that engine repairs.
Toyota is not what they used to be, and even die hard Toyota fanboy Scotty Kilmer, will tell you that.
about the bad catalytic converters, or secondary air pump failures, until they could see a government forced recall was coming. Both of those failures cost owners a lot of money, and aggravation.
They also had many complaints about their 6 spd auto shift control programming when it first came out. Some Toyota forums had 2000+ pages of owners inquiring about tuning to help with those
problems. Not to mention the very poor fuel mileage. The Tacoma 4 cyl I had, got no better mileage than my Ecoboost does, it just had much less power. Not to mention my F150 rides, drive, handles,
and brakes better. Toyota's lack of configurations was a big part of my not buying another. I don't need or want double, or extra cab. Also their restricting engine upgrades to much more expensive top
models was a deal breaker for me. I do think Toyota's Aisin transmissions were some of the best out there mechanically, poor software aside.
I agree, Toyota made some very reliable, long lived V8 engines, and some 4 cyl engines too. However, some of their 4 cyl's had the oil burning / ring problems. Some say poor maintenance was to blame.
Some mechanics say is was piston / ring design. I know they did change the design of the replacement parts. I see too many engines with fairly low mileage have, varnishing, coking, and sludge in them.
Is it engine design, poor maintenance, poor oil , or a combination of all 3? I don't know, but I use only full synthetic oil, and change it every 6 months / 3000 miles in my F150. Turbo plus complex valve
train is very hard on oil. Older non turbo engines without variable valve timing, and using a timing belt instead of chains, could probably go a year and 10,000 miles between oil changes. I wouldn't
trust that on an Ecoboost though, regardless of what any car makes says. Oil is much cheaper that engine repairs.
Toyota is not what they used to be, and even die hard Toyota fanboy Scotty Kilmer, will tell you that.
Ooohrah!!! You just need a cougar to chase you, then you won't be thinking about that whine...
Ive got a 2014 F150, 2011 Lexus GX460(a V8 4Runner/Toyota Land Cruiser Prado) and a 1995 4Runner.
I dont think there is anything special about the Toyota’s and I bought them because they fit my needs better than anything else. If GM or Ford or Ram had built a mid sized SUV that could tow wel and offroad well then I might not have a GX. If Jeep Cherokees were not all flaming piles of crap to drive, I might not have the 4Runner.
A lot of Toyota owners drink a lot of Kool-Aid. They are great in some ways but not great in others. And they are not completely problem free. My GX could have had the secondary air injection issue but that did get fixed via recall. There is also the inevitable valley cover plate leak which requires the manifold and everything to be removed to fix a coolant leak due to bad sealant. It sounds like there are some issues with the 6 speed transmission crapping the bed too. I also had an issue with the NAV screen digitizer crapping the bed and when I ask the Lexus dealer what it would cost they said the only way to fix it is to buy the entire NAV system for $8000. So I ended up having to do a DIY fix with an eBay digitizer.
I do think that Toyotas tend to be over built for their ratings. The cooling system in my Lexus is bigger than my cooling system in my max tow f150. And the cooling system in the new tundra is far superior to any half ton truck. I think they generally underrate them and that Toyota would probably do a better job towing at its rated capacities than any other half ton. Id be more confident in hooking my travel trailer up to my soccer mom GX on a hot day and it staying cool than my F150
I dont think there is anything special about the Toyota’s and I bought them because they fit my needs better than anything else. If GM or Ford or Ram had built a mid sized SUV that could tow wel and offroad well then I might not have a GX. If Jeep Cherokees were not all flaming piles of crap to drive, I might not have the 4Runner.
A lot of Toyota owners drink a lot of Kool-Aid. They are great in some ways but not great in others. And they are not completely problem free. My GX could have had the secondary air injection issue but that did get fixed via recall. There is also the inevitable valley cover plate leak which requires the manifold and everything to be removed to fix a coolant leak due to bad sealant. It sounds like there are some issues with the 6 speed transmission crapping the bed too. I also had an issue with the NAV screen digitizer crapping the bed and when I ask the Lexus dealer what it would cost they said the only way to fix it is to buy the entire NAV system for $8000. So I ended up having to do a DIY fix with an eBay digitizer.
I do think that Toyotas tend to be over built for their ratings. The cooling system in my Lexus is bigger than my cooling system in my max tow f150. And the cooling system in the new tundra is far superior to any half ton truck. I think they generally underrate them and that Toyota would probably do a better job towing at its rated capacities than any other half ton. Id be more confident in hooking my travel trailer up to my soccer mom GX on a hot day and it staying cool than my F150
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They all have their problems.
GM's had a lot of problems with their cylinder deactivation. 5.3L Ecotech engine failures are common under 100k miles.
Rams have a lot of body issues. Their transmissions are the worst.
Toyotas 5.7 get terrible gas mileage. Their bodies and frames dont hold up will in the salt belt. Payload is pathetic.
Ford's cam phasers are famous for all the wrong reasons. On the plus side, the 5.0, 2.7 and 3.3 rarely if ever have cam phaser problems.
GM's had a lot of problems with their cylinder deactivation. 5.3L Ecotech engine failures are common under 100k miles.
Rams have a lot of body issues. Their transmissions are the worst.
Toyotas 5.7 get terrible gas mileage. Their bodies and frames dont hold up will in the salt belt. Payload is pathetic.
Ford's cam phasers are famous for all the wrong reasons. On the plus side, the 5.0, 2.7 and 3.3 rarely if ever have cam phaser problems.
They all have their problems.
GM's had a lot of problems with their cylinder deactivation. 5.3L Ecotech engine failures are common under 100k miles.
Rams have a lot of body issues. Their transmissions are the worst.
Toyotas 5.7 get terrible gas mileage. Their bodies and frames dont hold up will in the salt belt. Payload is pathetic.
Ford's cam phasers are famous for all the wrong reasons. On the plus side, the 5.0, 2.7 and 3.3 rarely if ever have cam phaser problems.
GM's had a lot of problems with their cylinder deactivation. 5.3L Ecotech engine failures are common under 100k miles.
Rams have a lot of body issues. Their transmissions are the worst.
Toyotas 5.7 get terrible gas mileage. Their bodies and frames dont hold up will in the salt belt. Payload is pathetic.
Ford's cam phasers are famous for all the wrong reasons. On the plus side, the 5.0, 2.7 and 3.3 rarely if ever have cam phaser problems.
Toyota's payloads were competitive with Ram and non-Max tow Ford's until 2015. My F150 without max tow would have 1100-1200 lbs of payload.
The 2022 Tundra I would say is competitive with F150's. Toyota sandbags the payload sticker on the door by 200-300 lbs for some reason though. Almost every one who has scaled their 2022+ trucks has reported their stickers being low. Thats because Toyota only prints one of 15 numbers on all Tundra door stickers regardless of how the truck is optioned. You can literally open the owners manual and there is a table with the payloads, and your truck will be one of those numbers.
https://www.f150hub.com/trans/10r80.html
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Toyota's payloads were competitive with Ram and non-Max tow Ford's until 2015. My F150 without max tow would have 1100-1200 lbs of payload.
The 2022 Tundra I would say is competitive with F150's. Toyota sandbags the payload sticker on the door by 200-300 lbs for some reason though. Almost every one who has scaled their 2022+ trucks has reported their stickers being low. Thats because Toyota only prints one of 15 numbers on all Tundra door stickers regardless of how the truck is optioned. You can literally open the owners manual and there is a table with the payloads, and your truck will be one of those numbers.
As for scaling it, cant speak to that. If the company is too lazy to print a more accurate sticker, then I call that a bad decision.
I did consider the Tundra, but cost for cost I ended up back in a F150. And clearly I am not looking for a truck with big bling and frills.
And the 10 speed is a joint venture between GM and Ford with Ford moreso leading the way. Just different programming.
The GM and Ford 10 speed transmission was a joint venture, they are the same transmission for both companies. The only difference is how they are programed for shift points etc.
https://www.f150hub.com/trans/10r80.html
https://www.f150hub.com/trans/10r80.html
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