Not sure why on a Friday night this is eating me up but we know the common issues with f150s esp 12 gen. Slip bump, corner rust, lead frame, phasers and so on. Does Ram or GM suffer from common things too?

 

Ummm.....yep....

There are few perfect trucks on the market. Dodge has numerous problems with their trucks, to the point where they aren't doing too well financially. Chevy/GMC, well I'm sure you recall GM's bailout in the not too distant past. While they've come up with some interesting concepts recently, they're still struggling with mismanagement.

Toyota literally copied Fords for most of the 90's and early 2000's (compare the body style of a 2000 era Toyota tundra with the 97-03 F-150, they're nearly identical with just enough difference to avoid legal issues), but they developed a reputation as being more affordable, especially in third world markets, which, unfortunately our US companies didn't capitalize on nearly enough.

Toyota used this third world popularity to inflate their US marketing campaigns, and, the result is a lot of Corolla and Camry buyers crossing over to Tacomas and Tundras. While their trucks are comparable to Fords, it's mostly stolen western technology repackaged, which has been Asia's business plan since WW2.

From what I've seen, Fords are far more reliable than Toyotas, but through marketing and foolish hype, Toyotas have received a better reputation as being reliable, likely for the same reasons we see eastern mysticism as somehow better than western, simply because it's more exotic to our western palette.

I'm not even going to bother with Nissan, Honda and Hyundai...their trucks have never been comparable to the heavy hitters.

Essentially, Ford has the Built Ford Tough reputation that helps out a lot in terms of facing the competition. But reputation is just that. Any model year could be a lemon for any manufacturer. I personally don't like many of the design features of most newer trucks to include Ford.

Those features I do like don't tip the scales on buying trucks that are grossly overpriced anyway, which is why I'm happy with my older trucks (98 F150, 99 Chevy S10...one for heavy lifting , the other for gas mileage).

 

I disagree partially with the Toyotas. Their bodies, frames and interiors are absolutely inferior, but the drivetrains are reliable. Now, they are reliable because they wait five or more years after everyone else before implementing new tech, so you are always behind on power and mpg's, but your 4Runner that you've paid to have every window seat re-painted three times, that lost it's running boards because the brackets rusted in half and took the non-replaceable bolts with them, that has a constant interior breeze because of the holes in the body half the length of the rear wheel arches, it will be running just fine when you have to replace the frame that's about to snap in two at just 70,000 miles, and again at 140,000, and again at 210,000...

 

I had to use a friend’s Tundra with a V8 to tow my utility trailer 40 miles; I was not impressed and I could feel the trailer behind me. My F150 XL with 3.5 na tows this trailer much better and I don’t know its behind me. Did not like the ride of the Tundra either.

 

My 2017 Tacoma had rear end whine bad..... from 57 to 65 mph it was loud!!!!
Old deaf marine here and I could hear it.
Dealer said nothing wrong....file a claim...crickets.
Traded for my F150 and me and baby jesus are happy....

 

Now you remember most people that come to these sites seem to want a fix for their problem. These are the 1 and done crowd but they make the search seem like every truck was broken.
I have dealt with the Toyota rust and the old tech now Toyota has a Turbo Motor that is breaking and the only option in their pick up, Chevy is selling their base model with a 4 cylinder just about every Dodge/Ram you see that has seen salt has rusted bed sides.

 

I've driven more Ford trucks than all others combined. I'm on my 5th since 1985. I've only had 1 Toyota, a 2007 Tacoma that is still in the driveway. But I know too many others who drive Toyota. From what I've seen it isn't even close. Toyota wins handily.

Ford owners are thrilled to get 250,000 miles from an engine or transmission, Toyota owners are disappointed if it dies at 400,000 and there are a lot of one million mile Tacoma and Tundra trucks out there with the factory engine and transmission.

Toyota is slow to adopt new technology. They find something that works, perfect it, and then stick with it. They keep their trucks simple with very few options. Tunda only comes in one wheelbase. If you choose a regular cab you get an 8' bed, extended cabs are all 6.5' beds and crew cabs 5.5' beds. There were 2 engines prior to 2023. If you got the 5.7 it came with 4.30 gears, the 4.6 got 3.90 gears. No options on that.

By keeping things simple, staying old school, and offering few options it improves reliability, reduces costs and increases profits. If a company isn't profitable, they start making shortcuts where we don't want them to. A Ford dealership could have 200 F150's on their lot with none equipped the same. Ford offers 5-6 engines, 4 different axle ratios, 3 different wheelbases, 2 different 4X4 systems and innumerable other options and packages on their F150. While many buyers like having those options, it increases costs to buy, maintain, service and repair those trucks.

Toyota takes care of their customers too. Only a profitable company can afford to do that. They had some issues with rusting frames in the snow belt, but they replaced those frames. Sometimes on 10+ year old trucks. They replaced a leaking rear window shortly after mine went out of warranty at no charge to me. I replaced a bad U-Joint at 175,000 miles. Toyota reimbursed me, apologized, and notified me they would replace any of the others at no cost up to 200,000 miles. They replaced rear leaf springs on my 13 year old truck with over 200,000 miles on it at no cost to me. Ford, Chevy nor Ram would even think about doing that.

That doesn't mean Ford makes a bad truck. If I thought so I wouldn't own one. Toyota's keep it simple and stick to old school tech philosophy doesn't appeal to everyone. Fuel mileage isn't as good, comfort may be compromised, and some modern electronics may not be present. But if your goal is to keep one 400,000 miles, you'll spend less to get there in a Toyota than any other truck.

 

"Lead frame"? I guess I missed that one.

 

Refers to the failure of the lead frame in transmissions, widespread failures. Big issue on 09-14 model years.

 

Ram has the Exhaust manifold issue and electrical problems and I know 2 people who had to put down 5.3 GM trucks due to engine problems
that their mechanics say they see all
the time. Ecoboost issues were supposed to have been largely resolved as of about 2020 with fuel injection system and cam phaser revisions. Chevy like Ford 5.0 seems to have problems reliably integrating AFM which is not an issue with the Eco.

I passed on replacing my 09 Tundra with a 2022 in favor of my Ecoboost. If they stuck to the bullet proof 5.7 6 speed with revisions it would've been different but they have a new TTV6. I figured, if that's the configuration I'm likely to end up with might as well get one that's been out getting
revised for over 10 years.

New Tundras seemed to have fixed the turbo failure problem, now chasing down widespread internal rattle, air leak/wind noise problems and front windows loose in window tracks. Not to mention a user unfriendly infotainment system. I remain unimpressed with it and reviews almost universally say Toyota just didn't seem to think it was worth the money to try to be class leading in any category anymore