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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 06:21 PM
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I do not engage 4x4 in slippery conditions on the road until the last moment.
The last moment before what?

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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BareBonesXL
The last moment before what?
before buckling seatbelt??
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by N4HHE

1WD mode (that is the supposed 2WD mode without LSD)
There is no such thing a 1WD. At all times, power is evenly distributed to both tires even with an open differential. The amount of power it takes to break the tire loose with insufficient traction is also being distributed to the tire that doesnt spin, it just isnt enough to do anything.
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 05:54 AM
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agree that common sense (Arguable if good sense is common ) and skill is of paramount importance. But to say 4X4 is never needed on the road is, IMO naive and ridiculous. But you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Believe the ‘market’ (majority) in areas with serious and regular winters disagrees with you. 2wd trucks in those areas are extremely difficult to sell.
The word market, is the key one. More specifically, marketing.

Marketing tells you that you must have it. When I tell people I have a 2wd truck they react like I tried to burn Jesus on the cross. Reality is, the vehicle is almost always on dry pavement(ok, wet when it rains). By the time things are so bad in a snow storm that I cant drive through it and feel safe enough, no one should really be on the road. And by the next morning, its all plowed anyways.

For what its worth, I am not saying no one should own a 4wd. Its your money, spend it as you like. All I am saying is if most people think about it, they hardly use 4wd at all. In my observation its usually a waste of money, in the case of a new F150, a waste of about $4000.
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 07:56 AM
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Well, nobody needs a truck then.

Driving a chevy bolt would most likely fulfill all needs for 99% of the time. The one time they may need a truck, they can just use patience and split the task up into multiple trips. If something needs to be towed, there's a relatively inexpensive option of renting,

We get it. Kudo's to you, Can we bury the horse now?
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JaseBosto
The word market, is the key one. More specifically, marketing.Marketing tells you that you must have it. .
You should really consult with all the auto manufacturers and sell your marketing services. Sounds like you could revolutionize the industry.


The following quote tells me that you either haven’t lived (and driven) in a true winter climate, or, or I don’t know what..... but IMO this really shoots your credibility (on topic of true winter diving conditions in a true winter climate/region):

Originally Posted by JaseBosto
Reality is, the vehicle is almost always on dry pavement(ok, wet when it rains). By the time things are so bad in a snow storm that I cant drive through it and feel safe enough, no one should really be on the road. And by the next morning, its all plowed anyways.
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 09:31 AM
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IMO this really shoots your credibility

With who? You? Im really concerned about that.....

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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 09:34 AM
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With who? You? Im really concerned about that.....
with facts
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by laterongc
with facts
Specifically? What fact are you struggling with?
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Old Jan 19, 2022 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JaseBosto
The word market, is the key one. More specifically, marketing.

Marketing tells you that you must have it. When I tell people I have a 2wd truck they react like I tried to burn Jesus on the cross. Reality is, the vehicle is almost always on dry pavement(ok, wet when it rains). By the time things are so bad in a snow storm that I cant drive through it and feel safe enough, no one should really be on the road. And by the next morning, its all plowed anyw
For what its worth, I am not saying no one should own a 4wd. Its your money, spend it as you like. All I am saying is if most people think about it, they hardly use 4wd at all. In my observation its usually a waste of money, in the case of a new F150, a waste of about $4000.
Marketing doesn't tell me I need 4x4. Real world experience does. I rarely use 4x4. Vast majority of the time I do not need it, but when I do need it, I need it.

For example, we boondock in a field next the a small airport for VT football games. Our site is flat, however to back into it, we have to start backing up the field's incline to get to the flat. If the grass is the slightest bit damp or wet I can't back up while in 4x2. The truck will just spin. Put in 4x4 High, and no problem backing into my site.

For me, I'd rather have 4x4 and not need it, than need it and not have it.
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