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Nassty, is there a link to that procedure? I've heard something along those lines on another site but am unclear on it, assuming it allows drainage of condensation?
Nassty, is there a link to that procedure? I've heard something along those lines on another site but am unclear on it, assuming it allows drainage of condensation?
Drill a 1/16" hole in the driver side end tank of the intercooler. Drill it at the lowest point you can.
Signed up to the forum and revived a dead thread just to complain. That's about right.
Then flies off the handle accusing me of being a Ford employee for some reason? lol?
Originally Posted by 'Murica no more
Wow... Two posts in my history is "reviving" something. If you don't like someone bringing up an uncomfortable fact perhaps you should just read Ford's marketing bulletins, but don't tell someone to stop putting in their two cents. You sound just like a Ford employee if your tone is any indicator. Seriously?
2012 F150 3.5l ecoboost with 241,000 miles and nothing wrong with it. I have to say these engines are awesome. Goal is to get to 400,000 miles.
project 400
Two engines. 5.0 and 3.5 eco-boost.
Both are stock. No mods.
Both with 100,000 miles on it.
Which truck is going to make it to 200,000 with likely less problems.
Statistically Neither!
All Pre 2018 EcoBoost share a long list of design issues that start requiring expensive maintenance and downtime at 60Kmi and grow increasingly worse on your way to 200K!
The measure here is that one in 8 EcoBoost trucks will require abnormally high out of warranty maintenance when compared to a V6 or V8 Toyota Truck.
60K to 100K mi
Stretchy Timing chains $2K (usually at the owner's expense)
Bad cam timing phasers
Bad Turbo
100K to 140K mi
2nd bad Turbo
Timing Chain if not already done
Both Valve timing phasers
Valve carbon buildup requiring head replacement (no way to clean them w/o destroying turbo)
>140K - Go to Vegas you will get better odds!
Bottom line is that Ford has been unsuccessfully trying to fix their flagship EcoBoost engines on & off warranty reliability for a decade.
I only listed the really expensive design flaw stuff but there are lots of little things that add up as well!
Don't buy a new eco-boost vehicle w/o the factory 100K-120K mi bumper to bumper warranty!
Get everything (turbos, valve phasers, timing chains, new heads) before your warranty expires. Then sell it before it gets >160K mi on it!
Don't buy first in series EcoBoost engines, wait till the engine is in its third year!
Unless of course, the dealer is giving away a 120K mi factory bumper to bumper warranty!
Your Milage May Vary - But your luck with these engines probably won't!
Yes, Ford is working to fix all of this including adding port injectors to its larger engines to reduce carbon buildup on valves. But it has taken them a decade to implement known solutions to problems that Toyota & BMW solved 15yrs ago! So don't expect these engines to suddenly become reliable workhorses no matter what the salesman promises you.
-PanAmMan
If it isn't reliable,
it isn't worth owning.
I have personally owned and driven a Ford car for >200K mi with < 200$ in un-scheduled maintenance/repairs
But it was definitely the exception not the rule!
Unfortunately, the numbers show that both our examples are the exception not the rule :-(
When you compare the long term>120K mi reliability of EcoBoost engines vs comparable Toyota truck engines the statistics are pretty one-sided against the EcoBoost engines. With 1 in 8 Ecoboost engines requiring major (>$1800, Unscheduled, Off Warranty) repair by 120K Mi.
If you think the EcoBoost reliability ods are better than I have stated here please take a look at the eco boost engines long term (>120K mi) reliability and unscheduled maintenance costs if you are interested in the truth.
That data is available online, but copyrights prevent me from republishing it here.
You have to dig a bit, and look at the estimated cost of unscheduled maintenance by mileage and or year.
For example, $1800 barely covers one timing chain, valve timing phaser or turbocharger replacement. And definitely will not cover the cost to replace one or both heads when your direct injection fouls your valves because they can not be cleaned without destroying one or both turbochargers!
Whoever heard of an engine that can't have its valves cleaned without voiding your warranty, damaging the turbo or replacing the heads?
The $1800 mark comes from the wholesale cost of a 100K mi bumper to bumper warranty.
So definitely buy the longest bumper to bumper warranty your dealer will sell you at wholesale when purchasing an EcoBoost engine!
Then make sure you sell the vehicle before it expires!
We both know Ford can make good stuff!
They just need to design better stuff to make ;-)
For example, $1800 barely covers one timing chain, valve timing phaser or turbocharger replacement. And definitely will not cover the cost to replace one or both heads when your direct injection fouls your valves because they can not be cleaned without destroying one or both turbochargers!
PanAmMan
You say this like every Ecoboost needs this done, when the majority of them don't.
Look back on the old 5.4 3 valve V8, same kinds of things - sparkplugs stuck would require head removal/replacement, timing chains/cam phaser replacements to the tune of a few thousand - but yet I owned a 200k Triton 5.4 3 valve and know several people that have over 200k on them without opening them up. I have 100k on my Ecoboost, and it hasn't missed a beat, and I don't expect it to and plan to keep it for another 100k.
12-09-2018, 05:40 PM
